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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: Helenap2401 on Tuesday 31 May 11 22:23 BST (UK)
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Searching for information on William Edward Constable born in 1884 in Eastbourne. Sent to Canada as a home child in 1894. His Guardian is given as a Mrs Tarrant, belived to be Susannah Maude nee Ellaby.
He served in the Canadian army in WWI.
He married Daisy Blunt Vesse (correct spelling of surname Vyse) in 1916.
He settled for some time in Souris Manitoba but on his father-in-law's obit of 1943 he and Daisy were in Toronto, Ontario.
I believe he died on the 11 Aug 1958 but I don't know where had they returned to Souris or were they in Toronto.
Would love to find out about his death and maybe that of Daisy or anything else you wonderful people might be able to tell me.
Thanks.
Helen
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Hello,
I checked the Toronto Star Obituaries for the dates after the 11th of Aug 1958 and I didn't see William listed. Perhaps he did move back to the West?
Here is a suggestion - check the Toronto Directories for 1943 through 1958 to see when William was in Toronto. I go to the Toronto Reference Library every 5 weeks or so, and I could check for you. My next visit should be around the beginning of July. If you would like to know sooner than that, you can contact the Toronto Library and use the Ask A Librarian feature to see if a librarian would look up a few of those years for you.
http://www.torontopubliclibrary.ca/contact/ask-a-librarian/ask-a-librarian.jsp
RK :)
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Thank you so much RK,
I would be very grateful if you could look it up for me on you next visit to the library.
Kind Regards
Helen
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OK.
I have added them to my list. William ought to be there in 1943 - we will see how long he remained in Toronto.
RK
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Not sure if you had him on census but will post for others who may be looking
Constable, William...b May 4 England, occ. labourer in 1901 in the Winnipeg Barnardos Home, superintendent and matron David & Kate White http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census/ViewFrame.jsp?id=66520&highlight=16
Perhaps in 1906 http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census06/
and not sure if this is correct entry for 1911 Dauphin http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=65061 I see the 1916 marriage was in Souris which is a lot further south...but about the same distance away as Winnipeg was to Dauphin...so if looking for work ( It was tough times ) he may have travelled to wherever he needed to earn a living
Quote from Ups & Downs publication WINNIPEG HOME (pg 8-9) http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/BRITISHHOMECHILDREN/2001-02/0983296076
Nov 1 1896 Branch Home opened as centre of distribution
additional outlet for boys 12 & 13 from Muskoka foster-homes
Manitoba & North-West Territories great demand for such boys
Mr & Mrs David White, Sup't & Matron
last 5 years, over 1000 boys admitted & placed out
demand in Manitoba & Western Provinces has far exceeded the supply
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Were there more home children from Thomas James Constable & Sarah Jane Picknell
( A rellie with a page on Sarah's ancestry) http://www.mandywillard.co.uk/surnames/tullett/william_1795.htm
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Hi JJ,
I am not aware of Sarah and Tom having an other children sent out, but it is possible that other children came out with the Constable name but Tom was not the father. Sarah and Tom had split up and I can not locate Sarah or William or a sister Alice on the 1891 census in the UK. I find Alice on the 1901 and 1911 census and Sarah reappears in 1911. Tom I have on all census but he had remarried.
I guess Sarah could have had other children illegitimate as I can't find out about her.
I have little info and most of what I do have has been gained from his William's military records.
Thanks for the info as every little bit helps.
Just as a side I have a photo of him taken during the early 1920's that was sent to my grandmother and it was that photo that started my search for William.
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Hi,
I finally got a chance to look in the Toronto Directories. You know that he was in Toronto in 1943. The only William Constable in the Directories for 1942, 1943 and 1944 is William H. Constable who lived at 50 Stibbard Avenue. There is no William E. Do you know if he had another middle name??
In 1945, there are 2 -
William H at 50 Stibbard
William A D (constable in the CNR investigation dept) res 218 Coxwell
In 1950, the same 2 -
William H at 50 Stibbard
William D (CNR) 637 Euclid
In 1954 and 1956
William H at 50 Stibbard
William D at 106 Douglas
1957 onwards, the William H is no longer in the Directories. So, if this is your William, he could have died in Toronto or moved out West. I know this doesn't answer your question, but I hope it is helpful information. The William A D can't be yours because he is still alive in 1960.
1957 - only William D
1958 - William A D (CNR) 106 Douglas; William (carp) 236 Boulton; William (carp) 95 Pickering
1960- only William D (CNR) 106 Douglas.
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Hi RK,
Thanks for doing this, no William only had the name Edward as far as I am aware. That said I have his army records which state he died in 1957 so it is possible that he was using another name? Not sure why this would have been but is is of course possible.
Where would I go to apply for the actual death certificate as I only had the date on his army papers? Maybe it holds the key to the mystery.
Thank you again for all your help it is very much appreciated and please let me know if I can ever help you out here in England.
Kind regards
Helen
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Daisy was one of my fathers sisters. Daisy married Constable in 1916 ; there were 2 daughters , Francis (1921) and Bertha (1917). Bertha is living in eastern canada.
Constable died in 1958 & Daisy remarried William Allen .
Souris was location of parents ( David & Rose Allen ) home for many years.
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Hi Vbob,
It is great to hear from you, can you confirm where William died?
Also thank you for the information, his half sister Annie had four boys, Albert (1906-1978) moved to Australia, William (1909-1910), James (1918-1924) died from injuries received after an accident, and John (1922-2002) and two girls Annie born 1920 and Nellie born 1924 my grandmother.
Thank you again
Kind regards
Helen
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Please note that this is an older post, but have put together some tieup information over the last year. Also just now found Wm's death place, (near end of post) so adding what I have so far, for those searching. Information found in Canada on this post. Next post will have more info from England.
His wife:
Daisy Blunt-Vyse 1897 Edmonton, Middlesex, England
Immigration Jun 1907 Quebec City,
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2Q3N-FGR
1911 - Simcoe Ontario with parents & siblings
attached to a tree! (but does not have info in Manitoba)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:276R-WZ3
Daisy remarried & died Ontario as stated above
https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/details/LDTR-6HJ
HOMECHILD William Constable
Parent's marriage Dec Qtr 1878 Eastbourne
Thomas James CONSTABLE & Sarah Jane PICKNELL
siblings of *William Edward b. 1884 Eastbourne
Thomas William, Ada, Frances Lily, Frances Alice
Barnardo's Canadian Distribution Home Toronto, Ontario
Age at Emigration: 10 Ship : Laurentian
Port of Departure : Liverpool 15 NOV 1894
Arrival: 26 NOV 1894 Port:Halifax
1906 Brandon, Manitoba, Canada This W. Constable says born 1885 Ontario
but could be him as he messed with his own info.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KHJ6-6GD?lang=en
1911 Dauphin No info given...are all 16 lads with no information also other homechildren?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-898W-3VTJ
CEF signup says born August 30 1885, so even then he gave wrong date.
He surely had a rough go of it in the trenches...
as posted earlier... marriage to Daisy: 13 July 1916 Souris
Bertha May Alice Constable Birth: 12/01/1917 Souris mother Daisy Blunt "BIPE"
(Bertha (surname Brady) - d. 2016 Barrie Ontario Sept 28, 2016)
His address on CEF discharge was Chicago Illinois?
or He went to U.S. in 1919 says born Mar 1886 Eastbourne - no image available
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XP91-127?
June 1, 1921 census Winnipeg ( directory says occ: labourer)
https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.redirect?app=census&id=67477636
F* L* Constable Birth: June 29 1921 Winnipeg Mother Daisy Blunt Vyse
May be living https://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php
Not yet in Wpg.1920 already elsewhere by 1923 directory
Brandon 1923 Labourer living 853 3rd st. Not there in 1925
1926 Daisy says married - Glenwood, Brandon Dist. Manitoba, Ca
- No William? - works for Richard Henry Smith - farmer
Daisy is a servant - with just her 2 children Wm Vyse also in household.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C395-L9ZG-W
(William Blunt Vyse Birth 25 March 1910 Tay, Tay, Simcoe, Ont)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV9H-T6JG?lang=en
1931 Daisy says married - Glenwood, Brandon Dist. Manitoba Ca.
- still works for Richard Henry Smith - No William again?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6RS2-VBB9
Death 11 Aug 1958 (aged 73) Calgary, Alberta, Canada
More info posted as well by a kind volunteer
His actual birthdate is different on there. September 25, 1884
Poor lad had likely never celebrated a birthday.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/136061049/william-constable
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Was trying to create somewhat of a timeline, but have to apologize :P
Didn't add 1901 census Winnipeg /ward 4 - saying b. May 4th 1883
-inmate with several younger home-children some just barely arrived.
Barnardo receiving home-115 Pacific / David white, superintendant
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KHK9-TH8
expanded dialogue back in my old Reply #4
One can certainly see the turmoil & trauma of landing in a new country,
then being sent all the way to a Toronto Ontario distributing home.
Where he's again sent to another distributing home in Winnipeg Manitoba
There to be sent out to another community, likely as a labourer.
No mention of minimum education ever being provided, but by all means...
send them off to War.
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It appears that William Constable was the only one of his family to be sent to Canada as a Home Child. William had 4 siblings. 2 died young. His 2 surviving sisters can be traced forward in England, assuming I have found the correct girls.
Ada Constable born 1881 in Eastbourne Sussex…
1891 census has Ada with her Picknell grandparents William and Fanny, all three in the household of an Alfred Storr and family in Eastbourne Sussex.
1901 census has Ada as a boarder in the household of a William Bridle and family in Portslade by Sea East Sussex.
Ada marries William Bridle’s son Alfred Henry 09 June 1901 in Portslade. Father Thomas Constable deceased.
It appears Ada’s mother Sarah is still living. She is with Alfred and Ada Bridle and family in the 1911 census in Portslade Sussex.
Ada is traceable forward until her presumed death in 1966 at age 85.
Frances Alice Constable b. 1886 Eastbourne Sussex……
Usually known as Alice, apparently.
No sign of Alice in the 1891 census so far.
1901 census Alice is in an Industrial School for Girls in Leeds Yorkshire.
1911 census Alice is a Domestic Servant in the home of an Ernest Alfred Johnson and family in Beddington Surrey.
Alice marries William George Monk 20 Dec 1920 in the Parish Church of Southwick Sussex. Father Thomas Constable deceased.
Alice is traceable forward until her presumed death in 1963 age 77.
PB
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Have thoroughly searched once again for William and Alice in the 1891 census to no avail. They are both very well hidden. As are their parents.
Both William and Alice were baptized without second names on 09 Dec 1888 at Eastbourne All Souls Church. No birth dates added. Father Thomas James Constable, Plasterer. Mother Sarah Jane Constable. Address 70 Bourne Street.
There is a different family at 70 Bourne Street in the 1891 census and, as mentioned above, no sign of the Constables.
There is a short obit in the Calgary Herald (Alberta, Canada) in 1958 for William Constable. Unfortunately, there is no mention of any family. More info on findagrave.
PB
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Well done, P.B...I think your efforts squeezed all the information now available within that period. I know how hard you worked on this! 🧡
New URL CEF signup for WW1 where he had very extreme trauma to add to his issues.
https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.redirect?app=pffww&id=113340&lang=eng&ecopy=038569a
Please read top of record carefully to make sure all records are for the correct soldier
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Thank you so much for the kind words. It has been a real fun hunt!
PB