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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Surrey => Topic started by: crayvalley on Monday 30 May 11 09:17 BST (UK)
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I am researching the background of my grandfather Walter Player who was born in South Norwood in 1887, he was one of nine. At the time there were a couple of Player families in that area and I am looking for any background. He had a sister Kate who lived at Crystal Palace and a brother possibly called Albert who lived in Sheffield and who fought in the First World War who I know little of. My grandfather married Olive Shackleton and lived in Bingley, West Yorkshire. they both died in 1967.
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Hi crayvalley
What exactly are you hoping to find? Have you got census details for your Player family? Would you like to know the names of all Walter's siblings? If you could be a bit more specific I'm sure you'll get a better response. Here they are in 1901:
RG13; Piece: 648; Folio: 55; Page: 41
3 Addison Rd, South Norwood
John Player, age 48, greengrocer, born Thornton Heath, Surrey
Fanny (wife) age 26, born Forest Hill
sons Arthur (15) and Albert (13) born South Norwood
son Walter (5) born Woodside
son Albert E (3) born Croydon
dtrs Lucy (1) and Maud (6m) born South Norwood
visitor John Player (78) born Quainton, Essex
boarder Frank Davey (19) greengrocer's assistant, born London
Looks like Fanny was John's 2nd wife:
Marriage Croydon Jan-Mar 1899
John Player/Fanny Letts
Hope this helps, Dazey
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1891 census
RG12; Piece: 594; Folio 119; Page 27
3 Addison Rd, S Norwood (general Shop)
John Player, 37, greengrocer, b. Thornton Heath
Eliza, wife, 35, born Shirley, Croydon, Surrey
son William (16) greengrocer's assistant, b. S Norwood
Bertha 12, Alice 10, Arthur 5, Albert 3
John Player (father) widower, 69, Greengrocer's Assistant, b. Rickland Essex
Robert Hollidge, lodger, 25, Greengrocer's Assistant, b. S Norwood
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Hi
1881 RG11/818/117/35
2 Addison Road
John Wm Player 27 Greengrocer Thornton Heath
Eliza Player 25 Addington
John Player 6 Norwood
Bertha Player 4 Norwood
Eliza Player 2 Norwood
Anne White 75 lodger West Wickham Kent
Jan
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First marriage
John Player
Eliza Parker
Dec quarter 1874
Croydon
2a 308
Eliza's death
Eliza Player
Dec quarter 1893 aged 38
Croydon 2A 170
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Sorry crayvalley..I've just realised that the Walter Player I found in the 1901 census would have been born c.1895/6 and you say that yours was born in 1887 - so it looks like I've picked the wrong family. Perhaps you're going to have to buy his birth certificate to confirm his parents' names? Dazey
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In that case so have I ;D ;D ;D However, I cant see one born about 1887 in the Croydon area in the censuses. ??? ???
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Dazey99 and Groom, thanks for helping.
Crayvalley
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These are the two births of Walter Player
Dec quarter 1888 Walter Player Croydon 2a 203
June quarter 1899 Walter Frederick Player Croydon 2a 315
So yours must be the first one. Still cant see him in any census pre 1911.
Jan
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Thanks Groom (and Dazey99).
My grandfather is in the 1911 census b.1887 in South Norwood and living in Bradford which is correct.
I know he was kicked out of the family at an early age which may mean that at 14years old in 1901 census he could have been elsewhere.
I won't totally rule out the mentioned family noted by yourselves as there appears to be two Alberts and its not to say that there are not two Walters.
In the 1881 census I did find two Player families one living at 3 Eden Cottages, St. Marks Road. Croydon, Surrey and the other lived at 35 Arplay Road, Penge. These may have some links.
Anyway thankyou with your endeavours, I will try to get it ironed out.
DJK
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Hi
Another way would be to get his marriage certificate to see if that gives his father's occupation, that would then rule out the one with a greengrocer as a father and might help identify him in other censuses.
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I am back and have finally had confirmation of my grandfather. He was born on 28th August 1888 and registered at the Ship Yard, High Street, Croydon. His parents were William and Mary Ann Player nee Coates.
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Hi again crayvalley..and so the mystery goes on. This could be William & Mary Ann in 1881, but I can't easily find them after that:
RG11; Piece: 818; Folio: 115; Page: 31
3 Eden Cottages, St Marks Rd, S Norwood
William Player, 26, General Labourer
Mary A Player, 21
William, 1
Rose, 4 m
(all born S Norwood)
And this is probably William in 1871
RG10; Piece: 848; Folio: 51; Page: 23
7 Holland Terrace, Denmark Rd, S Norwood
John Player, 45, labourer b. Rickland Essex
Ann Player, 45, b. Poplar Middx
John, 17, greengrocer, b. Croydon
William 14 b. Croydon
Walter 12 b. Croydon
George 6 b. Croydon
Charley 4 b. Croydon
Fanny 20 b. Rickland Essex
Nancy 10 b. Croydon
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Thanks Dazey 999,
Yes I believe that this is my grandfathers father and mother and his younger brother and sister .I am lead to believe from my mothers recollection that he had lots of brothers and sisters.
Many thanks for your information it is most appreciated. Hopefully
it will all fall into place soon.
DJK
:)