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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Wiltshire => Topic started by: Nic011 on Wednesday 27 April 05 20:30 BST (UK)
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Hi
My information is a little sparce but I am hoping someone can help.
I am tracing the Milliner famly of Gloucestershire. I believe that a female member of the family married a member of the Niblett family. He later became Mayor of Swindon. I belive it to be during the 1930's or 1940's, though t may have been before that - but unlikely to be after 1950.
Can anyone help?
Thanks
Nicola
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Nicola:
While I can support the information you have already been given on Harry Edwin Niblett there is a possibility that he may have married Sarah Millner or Milliner in West Bengal, India in 1893. As he was in the Army, service in India would have been logical at that time. Is this an avenue you have pursued?
Unfortunatley, although I have a lot of information on the Niblett family in India, I have no further record of him and Sarah. I do have some information on Edwin's origins in Hereford if you are interested.
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Hello
Since I posted the original message I have discovered the following
GRO Army Index Marriages
Harry Edwin N. Niblett - 1893 page 82 - Rawalpindi
Sarah J Milner - 1893 page 82 - Rawalpindi
GRO Army Index Birth - Could these be their children?
Albert Henry N. Niblett 1893 page 190 - Muree
Edwin John N Niblett 1893 or 1895 page 170 - Calcutta
Dorothy Newton Niblett 1898 page 254 - Calcutta
Jessie Rose N Niblett 1899 page 269a - Darjeeling
Robert Newton Niblett 1903 or 5 page 254a - Calcutta
I have yet to discover which regiment he was in - any ideas?
I would love to know more about the Niblett family, if that were possible. Can I ask what your interest is? I have a little more infro' from the current Mayor of Swindon's secretary, plus a photo of him, if you are interested.
Nicola
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Hi:
Thanks for replying. My interest is that I have been writing the history of the Niblett family starting at Brookthorpe in Gloucestershire around 1425. In the process I have developed a data base for the family with over 1200 marriages and 5000 births or christenings covering the period 1425 to 1900. Unfortunately, especially since 1837, it is difficult to get access to information without excessive time and money so there are a number of gaps. Prior to 1837 the records are more easily accessible but sometimes illegible or missing altogether.
I try to fill in the gaps by writing to those who are researching their own family tree like yourself. I offer information from my own records if I have it. My intention is to help in those enquiries if I can and certainly not to make money so I am happy to provide you with any information I have.
My database is so large that I have split it into several sections based roughly on parishes so to send you any information I need a specific line of enquiry. I can send you my paper on the origins of the family name if you like.
As far as India is concerned there were a number of Regiments in India. The family I have concentrated on were originally in the 14th Buckinghamshire Regiment of Foot around the beginning of the 1800's and later were part of the civil service in India right up until the 1940's. Your Harry was not part of that family having arrived from Gloucester much later. Interestingly Regiments rarely seemed to recruit in their own county and the Buckinghamshire Regiments frequently recruited in Gloucestershire.
You seem to have had more success with the Army records at Kew than I had. I could find very little to help me despite knowing specific names, Regiments, ranks, dates and locations.
The use of the name Newton as a christian name is interesting. A few Niblett familes adopted the habit of using the mother's or grandmother's family surname as a second christian name and especially so in India. Is there a Newton further back in your history?
Yes. I would like to receive the photograph of Harry. I will add it to my section on the family in India.
My e-mail address is Moderator Comment:email address removed to avoid spam. Please use Personal Message System provided to share email addresses. Thank You.
Regards,
Mike
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Hi Mike
Hopefully you will have received a pm with my e-mail address. (The photo I have of him is as Mayor of Swindon not in India, but you are still welcome to have a copy if you would like me to send it.)
Your comments on the recruitments of out of county is interesting as I had assumed he would have been in a Gloucestershire regiment - but maybe not! Something to look in to.
You asked about the Newton name. I have not found anything yet. Presumably if your idea about it being from the female side of the family is correct, it must be something to do with Harry's mother. As of yet I have not looked at that.
Thank you for the offer of information. Anything you have on Harry and his family would be very much appreciated.
Regards,
Nicola
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Hi Nicola!
You can look for World War One medal cards at www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
and there is one for Harry E. Newton Niblett, covering 1914-1920.
It shows the following:
Corps: Staff General List
Rank: Lieutenant Major & Quarter Master
Hope this helps!
Ju
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Ju
Thanks for that - I didn't know about it. Am now off to investigate the site further!!
Nicola
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My grandfather was Harry Newton Niblett and my mother was Jessie Rosa Niblett. Incidentally my second name is Newton, a tradition in this side of the family. My only clue to the reason for the use of Newton is something that my mother told me: that her father (Harry Niblett) was, as a child, in some way adopted and brought up by a man called Newton. In honour of him, and possibly as a rejection of the Niblett name, he joined the army under the name of Newton. Later, the army insisted that he adopt his original legally registered name of Niblett. He did so but added in Newton as prefix. So his army records which are quite impressive were partly under the name of Newton. Beyond this my grandfather's origins are something of a mystery so I would be interested in any other information that is available, on him and my granny, nee Millner. I can provide more on their later careers, if required.
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For anyone still looking for Harry Edwin Newton Niblett, and his Army career, his pension records are available on Ancestry.
9th March 1882 attested, and joined 16th Queens Lancers
1st November 1885 Transferred to 2nd Dragoon Guards, appointed Lance Corporal
2nd November 1888 Promoted Corporal
27th January 1893 Promoted Sergeant
22nd October 1893 Promoted Transport Sergeant Major
1st October 1894 Transferred to 16th Lancers
16th May 1901 Transferred to 3rd Hussars?
1st December 1901 Transferred to 15th Hussars
1st November 1909 Transferred to 17th Lancers
18th April 1812 Discharged
He served in Egypt in 1884 and 1885, and India 1885 to 1912.
Egypt Medal & clasps; Long Service & Good Conduct Medal; Distinguished Service Medal; Meritorious Service Medal; Kandahar Bronze Star.
Mentioned in Dispatches 1885 and 1898
9th December 1914, re-signed to 17th Lancers
(Occupation: Soldier!)
Harry was born in the parish of Hackney, London, Middlesex.
December qtr 1852
Shoreditch district vol 1c, page 207
Niblett, Henry Edwin
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This might your man in 1871?
Class: RG10; Piece: 2638; Folio: 53; Page: 1
New Lodge Inn, Littleworth, Minchinhampton, Gloucestershire
Niblett, Edwin Head M 61 Builder & Inn Keeper b Avening, Glos
Niblett, Eliza Wife F 61 b Avening
Niblett, Edwin Grandson M 8 Scholar b Dalston, Middlesex
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I noticed that, on his original attestation records, his next of kin was Paul Niblett, Uncle.
This was later crossed out and replaced with his wife's name.
The 1881 census has a William P Niblett, a Builder, living at The New Lodge in Minchinhampton?
Could that be the same address as Edwin & Eliza in 1871? ;D
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Hi
A surprise to see this thread in action again after nearly 9 years! Geoff, I will dig out any information I have on Harry's wife Sarah and let you know. Lots of further interesting information today too. Thank you. I will have a proper look at it later and respond again.
Nicola
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Hi,
Sorry for delay. Details I have of Sarah Milliner are as follows:
Sarah Jane Milliner born 1868, Stroud, Gloucester. She lived in Hawthorn House, Lower Littleworth, Amberley, Glos.
Father - Albert Isaac Milliner - b. 6.5.1843 Stroud, died 15.11.1896 in Stroud.
Mother- Annie Gardner/Wright /Milliner - b.26.11.1840 in Bisley Glos. died 29.12.1915 in Morriston, Swansea.
Sarah's brother William Robert was my great grandfather. If you would like names/details of her brothers and sisters let me know and I will forward those.
Would you be able to confirm the names of Henry and Sarah's children please? I have some, but don't know if they are complete/correct. Also, wondering if you knew where Henry went to when he left the army?
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Hello Nicola
Thanks for your response and sorry for my delayed reply.
We seem to be on the right track regarding Sarah Jane Niblett (my granny) and her husband Harry E. Niblett. I have some information, much of it in the form of press cuttings from their time as Mayor and Mayoress of Swindon in 1937/38. My sister, Pat Bowen, has more of the family archives at her home in Porthcawl. I infer from some of your postings that you live in South Wales. If this is so, there may be the possibility of meeting to discuss the family history.
As for the children of Harry and Jane Niblett, I can confirm three of the names for your earlier list:-
Dorothy - my Auntie 'Dolly'; Jessie Rosa - my mother; Robert - my Uncle Bob. All deceased.
There was a fourth son, the eldest, always known to us as Uncle 'Jock', I think because of his association with Scottish Regiments, but I don't know his proper name.
After a long distinguished, much decorated career in the army, mostly in India, Sergeant Major Niblett retired in 1912. The family then moved to Swindon. When war broke out in 1914, he was recalled to the army and given a commission. He spent a large part of the war in Mesopotamia (Iraq), and finally retired in 1920 with the rank of Major and a Military OBE.
I am not sure of the procedure for making direct contact with you, but if you are interested I and my sister have more information on this subject.
Regards
Geoff
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I am not sure of the procedure for making direct contact with you, but if you are interested I and my sister have more information on this subject.
Geoff,
You must first make 3 posts (so post once more - any old rubbish will do!).
Then you will be able to use the PM (Personal Message/Private Message) system.
Click on the document symbol, underneath the other poster's name and avatar (on the left).
It will be green if they are currently online; else white.
The PM messages are private between the 2 of you, so you can exchange information (email addresses for example).
Anything put into a normal post can be viewed by internet browsers (Google, Bing, and the like) - which is why you should never put your email address in a normal post! ::)
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Thanks for the information on messages
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Hi Nicola,
I met up with my uncle Geoff today and he told me about the communications that he's had with you about my Great Grandparents, Harry Edwin Newton Niblett and Sarah Milliner family. He told me to sign up to Rootschat and make contact with you as you have explored the history of the Milliner family, so it seems that we may be related! From your earlier posts, it seems your Great Grandfather and my Great Grandmother were brother and sister. Any further information you can give me on the Milliner family would be gratefully received. I'm only just starting my search and it would be great to get some help, my mum and Geoff have shared what they know on the Niblett/Millner side. Let me know if you have any questions yourself. Hopefully you will get this message as it's been a couple of years since the last post.
Warm regards,
Joanne