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I have seen somewhere that my 9th great grandparents are buried in the cemetery at St. Andrews Church of Earls Colne. I have seen the parish records but am looking for the inscription on their headstone/monument(s). Is anyone able to look this up for me? I have spent hours online looking for MI there but have found nothing.
James Markham (died Feb 1679) and Martha, his wife (died March 1668/69). Thanks so much ad best wishes from Knoxville TN USA.
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Hi
Welcome to Rootschat
There is a guide to Essex burials (including monumental inscriptions) at the top of the two main Essex boards which give links, one of which is to the monumental inscriptions in Essex churchyards produced by Essex Family History Society which includes Earls Colne (North East volume 2)
http://www.esfh.org.uk/CDs-by-Post/CD_MI.htm
Many of the Essex Family History Society's indexes are also on the subscription website Findmypast.
http://www.findmypast.co.uk/BirthsMarriagesDeaths.jsp
However unless any inscription is inside the church which is possible if the couple were wealthy and prominent in the village, very few gravestones survive from as early as the C17th and are still legible. Again only prominent families in the village would have the money for such gravestones so you might expect there would be Markham wills.
This is an example of two seventheenth century gravestones in another churchyard so you can see what such gravestones where they still survive were like.
http://southwellchurches.nottingham.ac.uk/nuthall/poldhsts.jpg
and a few others
http://www.wishful-thinking.org.uk/genuki/DBY/Eyam/Gravestones2.html
http://www.flickr.com/photos/stanbury/3361551314/
Regards
Valda
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Thank you so much!
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Hello Susie Q,
St Andrews Church Earls Colne. Well I am at this momengt sitting about 800 yards from said church, give me a few days and I'll have a shufti kush ( Arabic for a quick look )and see if I can find a Markham for you, the reaon I am saying a few days is because it is Wednedsday 13th July here, and although midsummer, the girl on our weather programme said only this evening " Oi Vay !! Such weather we're going to have over the next fived days, thunder, lots of rain, but at least the grass will grow !" so when there is an hours break in the rainfall, I'll have a look.
Regards from Earls Colne, in the pretty part of Essex
Bob Lima
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Thank you so much!! As it turns out, the baptism/christening/birth records are missing for a few years right around when James and Martha were born. Wouldn't you know! As for the rain, I wish you could send a little of it to Knoxville TN! It is horribly hot and muggy, but we need rain.
Thanks again for your help. Someday I would like to come and see St. Andrews and Earls Colne. The pictures make it look so beautiful.
Susan
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Dear Susie Q,
Well now, it's now Friday, the rain didn't materialise like what was promised, although she now says stay in bed Saturday because it's going to be somewhat persistent.
Now tghis very morning I am ambled over to St Andrews, and there are a quite a few graves there, mostly overgrown I'll be candid, and I couldn't find one for a Markham, worse, a lot of them have detoriated over the last 325 years, a lot are illegible, and the earliest I could find of any gravestone was 1809.
I spoke to a local boy who has an interest in this sort of thing and he says several problems, over the years, people were buried on top of other people, albeit a 100 years later, he says do your arithmeticv, if only 5 people a year die in a village in 100 years that would mean 500 burials, over 300 years, thats 1,500 burials.............................if it's more, say 12 people a year, well, again do your arithmetic, if you were to bury a relative in say 1890, what would you know about a burial in 1690 ?? and bear in mind St Andrews church in Earls Colne dates from the 8th century, so in 1200 plus years, lots of bodies in a relatively small area.
Susie, there is one more chance, I may be able to access parish records, but lets be aware, records weren't kept so meticuously as they are today, but I will of cvourse let you know what, and if I come up with anything, and even if it's a negative, I'll let you know.
Right, the sun is starting to go in, it'll be raining here within three hours, so I'm off to the library now.
Regards etc.,
Boblima
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I have returned to the "land of the living" again...finally. I am still looking for my Essex ancestors, Markham and Collins, and want to thank you folks for suggesting the websites and going to the church, finding out that there were burials on top of burials, etc. Now I have an odd request: can you tell me how to pronounce "Colne" correctly...meaning is it a long "o" like in "go" and is the "l" silent or not?
Happy Spring from Knoxville TN.
susie
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Dear Susie,
we were all wondering where you had gone, in the whole village it was a constant topic of conversation, no not really, I jest, but nice to hear that you are still around, but I'm afraid no more information on the Markham/Collins people, still a blank.
Pronunciation; We here says Colne as in ice cream cone, but did I tell you that we have four villages and a city named after the River Colne which flows through all five. We have Earls Colne, Wakes Colne, Colne Engaine and White Colne, and then there is the more famous perhaps, the city of Colchester, ( Colchester only became a city last week, when the Queen bestowed the honour on several towns to commerate her forthcoming 60 years on the throne), but all the Colne villages are within walking distance of each other, if you are a strong walker.
Best regards,
Bob
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Please do apologize to the whole village for me being MIA. Hm, ice cream cone - now you're talking! If I ever get to England I will definitely visit your village. It must be full of wonderful people.
Thank you so much for keeping your eyes open for anything on my elusive Markham-Collins family. I really appreciate it!
Are there any other burial grounds in Earls ice cream cone, no that's not right - Earls Colne?
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Dear Suisie, This is a village, not a First World War Cemetary, we tend to cremate here now, lack of space and all that, but there is one church and subsequently only one graveyard here, on another tack, if you go into Google, type in the name of this village, and any other village for that matter, you get all sorts of details, for instance, we used to have a school here, founded 1610 by a Dr Christopher Swallow, his deputy, Thomas Shepherd, was very religious, but persecuted, went over with the second fleet after the founding fathers, and went on to found Harvard University, there is a plaque on the wall, have you heard of Harvard ??
regards,
Bob
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Hi
Am I missing something here Boblima? I thought that Chelmsford was awarded city status, not Colchester....
Kevin
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Blimey Kevin, you're right, Chelmsford is the new city, it's been on the news, in the papers, something must jad distracted me in mid typing, probably a cup of tea and a kiss !!
Boblima
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Yes, I have heard of Harvard - I may live in Tennessee but I'm not totally oblivious to life outside of the Appalachian Mountain area :D I am from Wisconsin and people are, generally speaking, better educated up there than down here.
I have been looking around online with some success but would like to know if there are any interesting historical stories about Earls Colne that you know of.
Susie
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Susie, If you go into 'Google' put in 'Earls Colne, Essex' it will come up with all sorts of information, it has a slight claim to fame, the Lord of the Manor here, a Mr De Vere, also known as the Earl of Oxford, is reputed to be the true author of the works of Shakespear because Mr De Vere spent a lot of time in Southwark, in Spouth London the same place that Shakespears Globe Theatre was and is nbow rebuily, and that William Shakespear wasn't all that educated ( whereas the Earls of Oxford was ) Shakespear was by trade a glove maker, although if he could read and write, and had a good imagination...............
Regards,
Boblima
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Thank you! I have found some interesting things as well as some pictures. What a beautiful place Earls Colne is!
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Sometimes I wonder if anyone asks as many questions as I do in this world! Can you tell me what denomination St. Andrews Church is - Church of England? And has it always been the same denomination?
Thank you!
Susie
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Susie,
Our church, St Andrews, is Church of England, but before the reformation, ? well we didn't have a Church of England until King Henry VIII upset the Pope when he wanted to change wives, but for the last 500 years or so.............. and yes it is a nice place, we don't even have a police station anymore, we often leave our cars unlocked, and there are a lot of very nice people around ( of which |i am one !!).
Regards,
Bob
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You are so helpful - I think you MUST be one of those nice people ;D A town without a police station...wow! It must still be a really small town.
just offhand, without doing any research, do you know if there are still people there by the name of Markham or Collins?
Susie
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Susie, Susie, Susie,
It's not a town, it's a village, and if I inherited a £1 million, we wouldn't move, it has exactly everything we need, it has a library, a post office, a co op, a butcher, a greengrocer a hairdresser and an hourly bus service, it's brilliant, and of course, my wife lives here, we have spoken before Susie, I'm the tall fellow with a new car and the Tom Selleck looks, and I don't recall any Markham or Collins currently in the village, although 300 years ago..................................
Regards,
Suave, kind, and modest,
Bob
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Dear Mr. Boblima,
I most humbly beg your pardon for calling Earls Colne a town :'( But it does sound a bit like you might have died and gone to heaven for as wonderful as the VILLAGE sounds. Along with being suave, kind, and modest, are you also the official village humorist?
I am curious - does anyone know what the population of your lovely village is now?
Susie
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Dearest Susie,
On the last census count, Earls Colne had a population of 3,389 persons, and I forgot to mention on my last that it also has a doctors surgery and three pubs, one of which the Drapers Arms, also does bed and breakfast, it also has twp golf courses and a light airfield, built during WW2 by some outfield called the USAAF, from which fighter escorts flew...............the population oF Earls Colne so like it here that in 2000 they purchased through public subscription and some lottery money a field now named 'the Millenium Green, which, along with the two golf courses and the airfield means we are surrounded by green fields, not rows and rows of houses, selfish, but great...................anyhow, go into Google, put in Earls Colne.............
Regards,
Bob ( you can keep Hawaii, been there, it's just like Spain)