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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: rospy on Saturday 28 May 11 15:58 BST (UK)
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Welsh jo . .........think we might be cousins.my mom was Elizabeth pyatt. born in Henley Sept 1914 one of my great grand mothers I'm told was called Clara.who came from somewhere called ashton. they were..in.......longton.then Hanley i know we were related to the Leese family . my moms brothers and sisters were.Alice. may Evelyn .bill jack James . and Albert i know my gran was called Elizabeth nee. Beasley and grandad i ever knew as prince...look forward to chat
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to welshjo i think we might be cousins.my mom was elizabeth pyatt. born in hanley sept 1914 one of my great.grand mothers I'm told was called clara.who came from somewhere called ashton. they were in cheadle but later longton.then hanley i know we were realated to the leese family . my moms brothers and sisters were.alice. may everlyn .bill jack james . and albert i know my gran was called elizabeth nee. beasley and grandad i knew as prince. look forward to chat
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Rospy
I can see a marriage in 1902 between Prince Albert Pyatt and Elizabeth Beardsley.
After 1911 (when mothers maiden name shown) I can see the following children born with mothers maiden name Beardsley
William (Jun qtr 1912)
Elizabeth (Dec qtr 1914)
May (Jun qtr 1918)
Thomas H (Sep qtr 1921)
Evelyn (Mar qtr 1923)
Albert H (Jun qtr 1925)
Probably a couple more between marriage in 1902 and these I would think.
I have not come across any of these names so far in my research.
I cant see a birth of a Prince Albert Pyatt.
If anyone can help locate, it would be appreciated.
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This could be him
Albert PYATT
Sep 1877 Cheadle Staffordshire vol 6b page 340
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Looking at the post on the link you gave -and the fact that a Clara is mentioned and then the Leese family -I think Albert added the "Prince" when he married!!!
This looks like him
1901
9 Lower Hill St Longton Staffs
Stephen Leese Head M 44 Fish Merchant own a/c Longton Staffs
Clara wife 43 Stafford
James Pyatt step son U 22 hawker own a/c Cheadle Staffs
ALBERT PYATT step son U 20 Cheadle Staffs
Joseph Pyatt step son U 19 Hawker own a/c Cgheadle
Rose leese daughter 18 Potter's transferer Longton Staffs
Florence leese dauhgter U 17 Potter's sponger Longton
James Wyatt Boarder 16 Hawker Longton
Mary leese daughter 15 Longton
Frances Leese daughter 13 Longton
Clara Leese daughter 11 Longton
Ivy M Leese daughter 3 Longton
Minnie Leese daughter 1 Longton
RG13 2615 59 53
Suz
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This looks to be him on 1891 census
1891 63 High Street Stoke Upon Trent Longton
Stephen LEISE 1858 Fish Monger Longton
Clara wife 1857 Uttoxeter
Rosanna dau 1884
Flora 1885
Mary 1885
Frances L M 1891
PYATT
Job stepson 1875 Fish Hawker
Albert stepson 1878 Fish Hawker Cheadle
Sarah P 1880 Cheadle
WEAVER
Ethel stepdaughter 1882 Cheadle
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If it is the Albert Pyatt born in Cheadle in 1877 be very careful with his father Joseph!
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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This is a likely candidate (to whom I am related in two ways I believe to this household!)
1891 census RG12/2181/5/3
63 High Street, Stoke Upon Trent
LEESE Stephen, h, m, 33 Fishmonger b. Longton
LEESE Clara, f, 34 b. Uttoxeter
PYATT Job, stepson, 16, Fish hawker b. Cheadle
PYATT Albert, stepson, 13, Fish hawker b. Cheadle
PYATT Sarah P, stepdtr, 11, Scholar b. Cheadle
WEAVER Ethel, stepdtr, 9, Scholar b. Cheadle
LEESE Rosanna, dtr, 7, Scholar b. Longton
LEESE Flora, dtr, 6, Scholar b. Longton
LEESE Mary, dtr, 6 Scholar b. Longton
LEESE Frances L M, dtr, 6mth, b.Longton
I believe that
Albert PYATT is the son of Joseph PYATT and Clara Nield
Joseph PYATT (registered at birth as HOBBINS) is the son of Sarah HOBBINS (prior to her marriage to James PYATT).
I am descended from Millicent PYATT (daughter of James PYATT and Sarah HOBBINS) through her marriage to Edward Titus LEESE.
Edward Titus LEESE is the brother of Stephen LEESE (above). Both are sons of Edward Titus LEESE and Mary LOCKER.
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Marriage reg FreeBMD
Jun qtr 1883
stoke on trent
6b 345
on same page Clara Weaver
Stephen Leese
so this is possibly Clara's 3rd marriage??
Suz
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Joseph Hobbins was the son of Sarah Hobbins, born in 1852 in Dilhorne.
In 1851 Sarah Hobbins is a servant in the home of James Pyatt.
In 1855 James Pyatt marries Sarah Hobbins in Cheadle.
In 1861 census Joseph is listed under the surname PYATT.
Joseph Hobbins marries Clara Neild in 1873 in Cheadle.
The marriage is listed twice on staffordshirebmd, once under the surname HOBBINS like freebmd and once under the surname PYATT.
Joseph dies in 1880 aged 28 registered under the name Joseph PYATT.
Clara (now Hobbins) marries Thomas Weaver in 1881 and all of her children are listed in 1881 census in their house under the name Weaver.
In 1882 a daughter Ethel is born.
Clara then marries Stephen Leese in 1883 in Stoke.
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Welshjo you have stolen my thunder.lolI had spotted the Pyatt-Baker/Hobbs marriage and Clara's second marriage!
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Marriage certificate of James Pyatt and Sarah Hobbins shows marriage occurred on 25 Dec 1855 in Cheadle. James the son of James Pyatt (pensioner) married Sarah (spinster) daughter of George Baker.
Baker / Hobbins bit still needs some work!
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welshjo.thanks for your reply.you have cleared. a few things up for me. when i was a lad my mother would take me to birmingham rag market.a stall that. was set up selling pottery seconds.it was run by afamily called leese. my mom would stay a long time. i always came away with five shillings which was a lot of money. 1 remember been told they were some sort of cousins from longton. the name of nield .rings a bell. but connected to cheadle . to get information from my moms generation.seemed so hard my grandad by all accounts. was prone to drink all his takings away. and the family. would do a moonlight flit as they couldnt pay the rent. people call them the good old days. the youngest son albert junior died while he was still a boy from what they called sleeping sickness. i remember been told that they called him sunny. all four girls became publicans as did three of the boys..my first name is stewart.
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Hi welshjo, I have sent you some information via private message, concerning
earlier births to the 1902 marriage.
vv.
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this looks like Albert (Sunny)'sdeath reg
Albert H Pyatt
age 12
Sept qtr 1937
Stoke on Trent
6b 244
Suz
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Possible death of "Prince" Albert Pyatt from Freebmd to coincide with 1877 birth.
Dec qtr 1931
PYATT Albert age 53 Stoke T. 6b 216
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welshjo im very lucky that i chanced on your posts. ive got afew more names of uncles ect.james 1905.in longton alice may.also of longton 1907.and last of all john 1909. there is one more son .somewhere but i dont recall a thomas. you where right .about uttoxeter and clara.for some reason i had aston or ashton in my head. my cousin put me right though. it seems clara had relations.there and also a place caled talk.. ashton under lyme. clara must have been quite a woman. she got through it all somehow. anyway she could ;. just a shot in the dark welshjo. my. aunt alice married an albert jones. from leek in staffs. ? also an uncle jobe was often talked about who im pretty sure now was my grandfathers brother rospy
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Marriage in 1902 between Prince Albert Pyatt and Elizabeth Beardsley.
Children as follows
Joseph Albert (Mar qtr 1903)
James (Dec qtr 1904?)
Alice May (Jun qtr 1907)
John (Jun qtr 1909)
William (Jun qtr 1912)
Elizabeth (Dec qtr 1914)
May (Jun qtr 1918)
Thomas H (Sep qtr 1921)
Evelyn (Mar qtr 1923)
Albert H (Jun qtr 1925)
Albert born 1877 was the son of Joseph Pyatt and Clara Neild
Joseph and Clara were married in 1873
Children were
PYATT Job (1874)
PYATT James (1876)
PYATT Albert (1877)
PYATT Sarah Priscilla (1879)
PYATT Joseph (1880)
Joseph Pyatt (husband of Clara) dies in 1880 aged 28
Clara married Thomas Weaver in 1881 and Stephen Leese in 1883.
Job Pyatt (son of Joseph Pyatt) married Annie Priscilla Leese (aka Hannah) on 14 Feb 1898 in Edensor, Staffs.
They had the following children
Job Pyatt (c.1898)
Thomas Pyatt (c.1900)
Anna Pyatt (c.1902)
Clara Pyatt (c.1905)
John Pyatt (c.1906)
Joseph Pyatt (c.1908)
Mary Pyatt (c.1909)
Annie (Hannah) had a daughter before marriage Jemima May Leese (1896) who takes Pyatt surname in census returns after marriage
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welshjo .its quite.emotional to see my familys history.like that. you have been very generous with your time.thank you so much. rospy p.s. joseph albert was also known as prince.
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Looks like Sarah Priscilla Pyatt married William Hough in 1900
Children most likely
Beatrice (c. 1901)
Florence (c.1903)
Ethel (c.1905)
Clara (c.1907)
Phyllis (c.1909)
Martha (c.1912)
William (c.1914)
Elsie L (c.1917)
Doris M (c.1920)
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Hi all,
Jemima May Pyatt (Lees) was my great grandmother. I have been researching the family tree and would be interested in any more details that any of you can add.
My dad remembers a Prince Pyatt but until finding this chat I hadn't managed to place him.
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Welcome to Rootschat Bex H.
Hopefully others related to these Families will reply to you soon.
I am not related but have found this info;
MARRIAGE;
25 Dec 1855, St Giles the Abbot, Cheadle
James PYATT, full age, Widower, Green Grocer, Father JAMES Pyatt, Pensioner
Sarah HOBBINS, full age, Spinster, Father George BAKER, Farmers Son
Witnesses, Simon Pyatt and Harriet Pyatt
Bride groom and 2nd witness signed with a x.
Trish :)
Others may have all of this but I was bored!
MARRIAGE;
08 Sep 1873, St Giles the Abbot, Cheadle
Joseph HOBBINS, 21, Bachelor, Fruit Seller, Father James PYATT, Fruit Seller
Clara NEILD, 19, Spinster, Father JOB Neild, Fruit Seller
Witnesses, Thomas G ABERLEY and Rose Anne ABERLEY
Bride and groom signed with a x.
MARRIAGE;
23 Jan 1881, St Giles the Abbot, Cheadle
Thomas WEAVER, 25, Bachelor, Policeman, Father JAMES Weaver, Labourer
Clara HOBBINS, 25, Widow, Fruit Dealer, Father Job NEILD, Fruiterer
Witnesses, John and Ann Waugh
Bride signed with a x
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And hopefully this has not been found?
SARAH Hobbins Baptised 21 Sep 1828, St Giles the Abbot, Mother ANNE Hobbins
ANNE Hobbins married William HORDEN 30 Oct 1836 same Church.
1861 in Cheadle we have;
William Horden 53
Ann Horden 59
Mary Horden 23
Hannah Horden 17
William Horden 11
Mary Hobbins 93, Mother in Law
Cant find them 1841/1851 Census
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That's great, thanks Trish. I knew that Clara was married 3 times but didn't have the details from the certificates such as occupation. It's great to see witnesses as I guess these often form part of the bigger picture.
I hadn't found Sarah Hobbies birth details so I can add that to my tree.
I'm really interested to find out more about both sides of my family. I'm finding that name changes and varying ages across census info makes it a bit of a jigsaw! An interesting challenge though.
Bex
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And hopefully this has not been found?
SARAH Hobbins Baptised 21 Sep 1828, St Giles the Abbot, Mother ANNE Hobbins
ANNE Hobbins married William HORDEN 30 Oct 1836 same Church.
1861 in Cheadle we have;
William Horden 53
Ann Horden 59
Mary Horden 23
Hannah Horden 17
William Horden 11
Mary Hobbins 93, Mother in Law
Cant find them 1841/1851 Census
Bex H - welcome to Rootschat :)
I think this might be William & Ann on 1851/1841 census - have a look and see what you think
Mary Hobbins age 83 surnames transcribed as Hobint & William’s as Hollom
1851c HO107; Piece: 2009; Folio: 503; Page: 1
William 48 all dittoed born Cheadle
Nancy 50
John 16
Mary 12
Hannah 9
William 6
Mary relative 83 Sedgley
Maybe William and his family on 1841c surname transcribed as HARDERS
1841c HO107; Piece: 1006; Cheadle; Staffordshire; ED 6; Folio: 38; Page: 12
William 25
Anne 35
Sarah 12
John 5
Mary 3
Hanah 5 mths
Maria Barker 25
All noted as born in this county
This looks to be Hannah's birth entry GRO indexes give mmn
Hannah HORDERN mmn OBBINS
1841 M Quarter in CHEADLE Volume 17 Page 33
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Crikey, you need detective status to work your way through it don't you! I don't know how more popular names get started.
I'm going to post details of other people I've drawn a blank with- keep you lot busy ;)
Thanks for this info.
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I'm going to post details of other people I've drawn a blank with- keep you lot busy ;)
Thanks for this info.
Your welcome :) We'll do our best to help
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Welcome Bex H
Do you have findmypast newspaper access?
There are a couple of interesting articles dated Jan 1939 regarding the death and funeral of Clara Leese.
They detail the number of descendent she had including the number of children, grand children and great grand children. One lists a number of her son's and daughters and the number of children they had. Makes interesting reading. I only have a paper copy to hand.
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I don't have any subscription at the minute. I had 2 months on findmypast to get started but not had the time to justify it lately. I've used free searches to try and fill some blanks but it is more difficult.
It's good to find other people on the same search. Did you say that you were related?
Bex
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I am not sure if this is relevant to anyone here but Staffordshire past track is currently featuring a photo of Mrs Anne Pyatt standing outside her grocers and general stores at 94 High St Cheadle in 1912.
http://www.staffspasttrack.org.uk/?utm_medium=govdelivery&utm_source=email
They have a facebook page too
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Sorry been away for a few days.
Excellent work in finding the Horderns in 1841/1851 Ladyhawk :)
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Looking at the Obbins/Hobbins Family;
Ann Hordern nee Hobbins; from 1861 census we know her Mother was Mary born c 1768.
FreeREG has a Marriage for a FRANCIS Hobbins age 34 (1810) Father FRANCIS, both Labourers
Ann HORDEN was a Witness.
+ a Burial of FRANCIS Hobbins 12 Nov 1828 age 70 (1758)
Familysearch has;
ANN Hobbins christened 6 Nov 1803 Sedgley to FRANCIS/MARY
(this is also on FreeREG, abode Ettingshall, Father a Collier)
FreeREG has Mary Hobbins buried 07 Apr 1862 age 94
To add a bit of spice to your Tree Francis Hobbins jnr was imprisoned in 1845 for 3 mths for fraud.