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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: rosemarie8 on Wednesday 25 May 11 11:09 BST (UK)
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Can anyone give me any information on a burial in Christchurch in 1918 in the name of Mcguire (sorry do not know christian name), also of a magistrate named Mcguire in Dunedin around that time or after.
thank you in advance for any help given.
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As a post script to my 1st post, the name Louis Phillip Clary Mcguire is of interest to me. Louis was born in 1869 in England, but is not shown after the 1891 census aged 22, there is a possiblity he went to N.Z. after 1891. Around 1927, my father travelled to N.Z, docking in Dunedin, he met some people who informed him he had an uncle buried in Christchurch, who died in 1918 during a flu epidemic, he also had an uncle who at the time (around 1927), was a magistrate in Dunedin (were either of these Louis?). I would be so pleased if any one could shed a light on either of these possibilities.
Thank you in advance for any help that is given.
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Hi
Hope you don't mind rosemarie, some background information for anyone looking for you
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,534349.msg3885224.html#msg3885224
evie
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No of course I don't mind evie, I am only too pleased for any help that is given to me. I'm not really expecting any information to be found though, it was such a long time ago and N.Z is such a big place. but hey you never know, But thank you for your input anyway.
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Unfortunately, our newspapers online for Otago only covers years before 1910
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast
and there are several McGuires !
Deaths in Christchurch and Dunedin for period 1915-1921 (from Burial Locator)
1919
Thomas George age 54 at Dunedin
William age 35 at Lyttleton (Port for Chriistchurch)
1921
James age 47 at Dunedin
1922
John age 42 at Lyttleton
None in 1918.
You might like to try for variations on spelling here
http://librarydata.christchurch.org.nz/Cemeteries/
John B
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Thank you John, I knew from the start this was not going to be easy. But thank you for your information.
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McGUIRE - a Postmaster at Milton in 1919 [1 hour south of Dunedin]
In NZ Postmasters and JPs (non-Stipenduary Magistrates) were and are often used as interchangeable semi legal officials
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz
NZ Truth , Issue 725, 10 May 1919, Page 5
[TRUTH for many years the one real Tabloid in NZ?]
ROBBERY AT MILTON
Horse-trainer Arrested SMART WORK BY THE POLICE
Most of Missing Money Recovered.' (From, "Truth's" Dunedin Rep.)
The little township of Milton was thrown into a state of excitement one May morning, when the news went forth that the Post Office safe had been broken into and that a sum of Ł500 had been lifted therefrom. Mr. P. McGuire, the postmaster, went to bed about eleven o'clock the night before, his office keys being left, as usual, m the hip pocket of his trousers, which were placed in the bedroom wardrobe. Late in the night, or early in the morning, he was disturbed by a slight noise; but, after listening for a while and hearing nothing more, he concluded that his daughter In the next room had been restless.
About seven o'clock, however, a young clerk In the office, came hurrying to Mr. McGuire with .......................
Signal Hill
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2 Possible Deaths in Newspapers
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz
Evening Post, Volume XCVI, Issue 83, 4 October 1918, Page 8
PERSONAL MATTERS
Death from typhoid while on active service of Surgeon Captain Maguire, brother of the wife of [Wellington] Councillor L. M'Kenzie:
The late Dr. Maguire was the last of the male members of the family, which had suffered severely in the war. [War deaths overseas were often registered at the end of the war ~1919]
Ellesmere Guardian, Volume XXIV, Issue 4134, 24 December 1919, Page 2
By the death of Mr William Maguire the Ellesmere district loses another of its very old residents.
Mr Maguire was farming at Lakeside. He retired and the farm has been carried on by his nephew, Mr John Galvin.
Mr Maguire, a brother of Mrs Galvin, of Milltown, was never married. The funeral took place on Saturday. Father Creed celebrated requiem Mass at St. Joseph's Church, Southbridge, and also read the burial service.
Signal Hill
This and previous posted earlier in error to other thread. Reposted now as I couldn't find it ! ??? :-[
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,534349.msg3885224.html#msg3885224
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P D McGUIRE appointed Postmaster Milton
is he of interest ?
Otago Witness , Issue 2821, 8 April 1908, Page 86
THE POSTAL DEPARTMENT.
PROMOTIONS AND TRANSFERS. WELLINGTON, April 2. The following changes in the Post and Telegraph Department are announced by the Postmaster-general : -
Mr P. D. Maguire, telegraphist, Dunedin, to be postmaster, Milton
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=OW19080408.2.306&srpos=62&e=--1880---1940--100-AG%2cBH%2cCL%2cEG%2cODT%2cOW%2cST%2cTT-1-byDA-on--0Maguire+%2bPost-ARTICLE-
This appears to be NZ BDM index relating to above
Death
1941/15707 McGUIRE Patrick Daly 76Y
Marriage
1896/1018 Catharine NEWTON Patrick Daly McGUIRE
Daughter
1904/3531 McGUIRE Daphne Gwynn Catherine Patrick Daly
Daughters marriage
1927/3821 Daphne Gwynne McGUIRE Walter Robert Hugh MARTIN
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Thank you signalhill, It will take me a while to check up on all the information you have supplied me with, It has all been very welcome and worthwhile.
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James McGuire Christchurch 1905
from Papers past
Ashburton Guardian, Volume XXII, Issue 6539, 6 April 1905, Page 2 INTERPROVINCIAL.
United Press Association—By Electric Telegraph. CHRISTCHURCH, April 5
James McGuire, a jockey, who was injured by a horse rolling on him on Saturday, showed the first signs of returning consciousness to-day, when he was able to swallow food.
SH
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Mrs McGuire [farmer ?] - a little south of Christchurch 1918
Ellesmere Guardian, Volume XXIV, Issue 3937, 16 January 1918, Page 2
Southbridge Town Board. MONTHLY MEETING.
The monthly meeting of the Southbridge Town Board was attended by Messrs C. H. Piper (chairman), E. G. Hubbard, H. J. Sutton, R. A. Mawafcd A. E. Appleton.
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The pound book was inspected and it was found that stock belonging to Mrs McGuire and Mr Free had been pounded again since a warning had been sent to them that they would be prosecuted if their stock were seized again. It was decided to take proceedings against the two offenders.
Could this Mrs McGuire have been a recent widow trying to keep up the farming operation ?
SH
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Arthur Patrick McGUIRE and Janet Mary McGUIRE a criminal case in Christchurch 1918
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz
Ashburton Guardian, Volume XXXIX, Issue 9471, 7 December 1918, Page 4 Article view LABOURER'S MONEY ALLEGED CONSPIRACY. EXTRAORDINARY EVIDENCE.
CHRISTCHURCH, December 6
At the Magistrate's Court, before Mr T. A. B. Bailey, S.M., Arthur Patrick McGuire, Janet Mary McGuire. Cecil McCullough, and Frederick- John Wormald, all of Christchurch, were charged that on divers dates between September, 1915, and October 29 1918. at Christchurch, they did conspire each with the other by deceit to defraud William John Cupples of certain sums of money totalling Ł194 4s.
The case arose out of the desire of the complainant Cupples to obtain the release of a girl named Lizzie Hines from the Mount Magdala reformatory, of which institution she was an inmate.
The case for the police was conducted by Chief Detective Mcllveney; Mr Hunter appeared for the McGuires and McCullough, and Mr Alpers for Wormald. Mr Cassidy appeared to watch the case on behalf of the Mount Magdala Reformatory.
.................... [there is a long report which follows]
.....You would have to think that this Arthur Patrick McGUIRE was not closely connected to the Milton Postmaster Patrick Daly McGUIRE
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Hi Rose
Patrick McGUIRE in Archway (NZ Govt Records)
has this - obviously not the JP you were looking for initially at least.
Justices of the Peace Nomination Files
ABVP 7912 W5155/69 JP/88/266
Nomination for Appointment as Justice of the Peace -
McGuire, James Patrick 1988 1989 [Record in Wgtn Office]
This file is not open for public inspection
http://archway.archives.govt.nz/
James Patrick McGUIRE other references in Archway - obviously a number of James Patrick McGUIREs - only the last in this list could be same as above JP nomination
1914 - 18 Military Service Record
1946 and 1975 Divorces in Auckland
sometime between 1969 & 1987 Immigrant
1976 Coroners Inquest
1977 Probate - Farmer- Christchurch
1985-86 Land Purchase officer Personnel Record
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Children of Patrick and Catherine McGUIRE
Are these three sisters ?
1896/15960 McGuire Margaret Catherine Patrick
1897/6546 McGuire Myrtle Eileen Catherine Patrick Percy Daly
1904/3531 McGuire Daphne Gwynn Catherine Patrick Daly
SH
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Hi Rose
Marriage of another Daughter of P D McGuire ?
1921/10211 Myrtle Eileen McGuire Angus Blair Crickett
and deaths
1977/26859 Crickett Myrtle Eileen [born] 26 August 1896
1956/19908 Crickett Angus Blair [aged] 66Y
SH
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Re
1897/6546 McGuire Myrtle Eileen Catherine Patrick Percy Daly
This birth was registered 26/08/1897 - so dob from death may be incorrect ???
John B
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Re possible sisters as detailed by SignalHill:
1896/15960 McGuire Margaret Catherine Patrick
was Q3 Carterton
1897/6546 McGuire Myrtle Eileen Catherine Patrick Percy Daly
was Q3 Christchurch ?? (hard to read, but definitely no Carterton)
1904/3531 McGuire Daphne Gwynn Catherine Patrick Daly
was Q2 Dunedin
So if they were sisters, their parents were moving around 8)
John B
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Hi John
dob mis-match ... So what you miss when its right in front of your face ! ::)
Re possible sisters as detailed by SignalHill:
1896/15960 McGuire Margaret Catherine Patrick
was Q3 Carterton
1897/6546 McGuire Myrtle Eileen Catherine Patrick Percy Daly
was Q3 Christchurch ?? (hard to read, but definitely no Carterton)
1904/3531 McGuire Daphne Gwynn Catherine Patrick Daly
was Q2 Dunedin
So if they were sisters, their parents were moving around 8)
John B
Thanks for that
Post Office (and Banks etc) were inclined to move staff round quite a lot so could still be family. Traces of the family in Otago do not seem like a lifetime location.
- I have used Otago Daily Times and Otago Witness as kick off - This crosses with my other family interests.
SH
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On McGUIRE Forenames
Wondering about "Daly" (Daily Daley) not a very common name and "Clary" not common either
- Patrick Daly McGUIRE Louis Phillip Clary McGUIRE -
Are Daly/Clary likely to be confused in handwritten records or transcribing ?
Have not seen anything much of Louis (or Lewis) associated with McGUIRE or MAGUIRE in New Zealand sources. The Forenames I have seen whisper Ireland to me rather than France
SH
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Thank you all for all the input you have put in on this subject. I sure have a lot to think about.
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Hi Rose,
Are there any more clues ?
Who did your father meet in Port Chalmers ?
Are there any forenames common in your family ?
Are there any other family or surnames or occupations or dates?
Where did the name Louis Phillip Clary McGUIRE come from and how is it connected with the rest of the family. ?
Were the Uncles both definitely McGUIRE (brothers of your father) or did either have another surname - married to a sister ?
Do you have any idea how long Louis might have stayed in NZ ?
The worldwide 1918 - 19 "Spanish" 'flu epidemic meant that usual burial practices and records were not always followed.
SH
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Hi
Hope you don't mind rosemarie, some background information for anyone looking for you
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,534349.msg3885224.html#msg3885224
evie
Hi Signal Hill
The above linked thread, may help to answer some of your questions. :)
~ Lu
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Ooops ... sorry, Signal Hill.
I can see now that you've contributed to that particular thread.
:-[
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Hi rosemarie :)
I've been following this thread with some interest.
I note in your introductory piece re: Louis Philip Clary McGUIRE, that you say "there is a possibilty that he went to New Zealand".
I wondered though if you'd looked maybe for Louis travelling to some other country ?
~ Lu
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Ooops Yes Lu :-[
losing sight of some of that info
Ooops ... sorry, Signal Hill.
I can see now that you've contributed to that particular thread.
:-[
Great you're keeping us up to the mark !
SH
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Hi Rosemarie.
Hope you dont mind me dropping in on your messages.
I am trying to find info. on Amelia Rose Mcguire who married my great uncle Frank Donald Warden.
He emigrated to Wellington from London in 1912 and lived in Christchurch.
He died in 1944 and Amelia died in 1977, but cant find where Amelia came from.
Thanks very much,
Babs.
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hi Babs
Look at CHCH cem database
http://librarydata.christchurch.org.nz/Cemeteries/interment.asp?id=123524
Has her being born Dunedin NZ
Bye
Althea
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Hi Althea and Babs,
But no sign of Amelia Rose McGuire birth 1900 at BDM or on birth microfiche ???
John B
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Hi Althea and John,
Thanks for your quick reply.
Could her parents have emigrated at an earlier date?
Lots of Mcguires in the records.
Babs.
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there is an earlier registration
could always be a case of incorrect info
1894/6362 McGuire Amelia Rose parents: Mary Ann Catherine James
Bye
Althea
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Ha! I only looked back as far as 1895 ! :o
Yes, folio 1894/1991 on fiche is 2nd qtr Dunedin.
Well done, Althea. ;D
John B
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Amelia Rose McGUIRE
So
Parents Marriage
1891/1002 Mary Catherine Horn James McGuire
Siblings
1892/8221 McGuire Cecilia Frances Mary Ann Catherine James
1894/6362 McGuire Amelia Rose Mary Ann Catherine James
1896/13959 McGuire Arthur Patrick Mary Ann Catherine James
SH
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Amelia Rose McGUIRE
Can't find Dunedin Burial for older sister
1893/949 McGuire Cecilia Frances 1Y
SH
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Amelia Rose MCGUIRE
Younger brother
1935/16276 McGuire Arthur Patrick 39Y
Also not buried in Dunedin
SH
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Amelia Rose McGUIRE's Parents
Horn - McGuire Marriage
No Marriage found in Presbyterian Records Otago & Southland
Probably Dunedin Other Denominations or did they move around ?
Possible burial for ARM's mother in Dunedin
MCGUIRE
Forename MARY ANN
Age 39 Years Gender
Female
Date of Death 4 Feb 1903
http://www.dunedin.govt.nz/facilities/cemeteries/cemeteries_search?
Other possible death for Mary Ann(e)
in NZ BDM
1936/20210 McGuire Mary Anne 63Y
SH
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Hi,
once again, thanks for all your help.will give me something to follow up.
am also looking for descendants of Frank and Amelia, but know that is not usual on this site.
Babs.
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Amelia's 1977 death notice would be a start
or contact funeral director for possible family info that would lead you to living descendants
there is a probate for Frank at Christchurch archives
WARDEN Frank Donald - Christchurch - Tramway Motorman
http://archway.archives.govt.nz/Home.do
Bye
althea
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WARDENs who have died in NZ
Amelia married Frank
1917/4333 Amelia Rose McGuire Frank Donald Warden
1944/21617 Warden Frank Donald 50Y
1977/44000 Warden Amelia Rose 24 Feb 1900 - Note this birth date is almost certainly the wrong year
There are 18 possible children who have already died in NZ and could have been born during the marriage
SH
1918/25868 Warden Colin Airlie NR
1918/25869 Warden David Air NR
1918/25870 Warden John NR
1918/25871 Warden John Richard NR
1919/3628 Warden Robert John 3W
1942/17069 Warden NR 1H
1983/39921 Warden Charles Frederick James 5 Jan 1922
1983/48927 Warden Joyce Margaret 15 Mar 1920
1984/36854 Warden John Charles 18 Jul 1923
1984/49995 Warden James 7 May 1923
1989/35817 Warden Phyllis Pearl 10 Jun 1931
1993/37940 Warden Allan Grainger 4 Mar 1918
1996/30937 Warden Walter Ernest 29 Jul 1927
1998/26212 Warden Daphne May 22 Apr 1925
2000/20767 Warden Reginald David 5 Jan 1928
2003/23177 Warden Valerie Faye 10 Sep 1931
2003/25580 Warden Matilda Alice 7 Oct 1927
2004/30849 Higgins Aileen Mary Matilda 14 Dec 1927
2005/6025 Shaw Sylvia Dale 27 Jun 1919
2006/26460 Warden Jean Myra 12 Dec 1916
2007/21502 McCorkindale Muriel Isabella 15 Nov 1929
2008/8625 Warden Phyllis Ann 29 Jan 1927
2008/23736 Marsden Doreen Yvonne 18 Jul 1927
2011/2661 Warden Lindsay Brian 8 Sep 1928
SH
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Hi, once again, many thanks.
So many Wardens!
I had Amelia Rose. b. 1900, but as you say , think this is wrong. 1894 looks more likely.
But other records show her death on 7/7/1977 as a widow aged 77.?!!
Looking at your list- Matilda Alice looks a possible. Matilda was Frank's mothers name.
Also, John Charles. frank had uncles called john and Charles.
Can I view these from Uk on NZ BMD?
Do you have a free census lookup also?
Thanks,
Babs
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yes you can view yourself online
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/search/
you can look at electoral rolls online via ancestry
index is free
Bye
Althea
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Hi Babs
NZ BDM Index online
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz
SH
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Thank again.
lots more searc hing to do!!
Babs.
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McGUIRE JP - a different time and place
Auckland Star, Volume XX, Issue 4053, 16 July 1883, Page 2
POLICE COURT.-This Day.
(Before Messrs Prime and McGuire, J.P.'s.)
DRUNKENESS—Three persons were fined for this offence.
SH
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I must apologies for not putting any input on this subject for a while, But I am very much interested in all the comments. Unfortuanetly I have not got anything to add at this time. But I will certainly keep you informed if I can help.
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Hi Babs
Amelia Rose Warden (nee McGuire) was my grandmother, she died in Christchurch 7/7/77. I remember the day well. Frank Donald Warden was her husband who died from cancer in the late 40's. My mother was Aillen Matilda Higgins, died 0/12/04. I am Michael Donald Clarence Higgins( formerly Winn).