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Any suggestions to the following mystery would be gratefully appreciated.
On the 1881 census my maternal great great grandfather Edward Rothwell b. 1847 (married) was living with his children, Margaret b. 1868, Edward b. 1874, and Louisa Jane b. 1876
Also listed is Jane Clark his mother-in-law, Thomas Hall - nephew and Frederick Jones - visitor.
There is no mention of his wife, could this be that she was in hospital as she was still of child bearing age?
Apologies if this seems trivial, however, I am some what of a rookie when it comes to reading the census.
Kind regards
JB
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Hi
By 1891 he was a widower
RG 12/2943/84/50
56, Kirby Road Everton. Liverpool
Edward Rothwell widower 45 Pork butcher
Sarah Rothwell dau 21
Edward Rothwell son 18
Louisa Rothwell dau 17
Jan
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This looks like the family in 1871
RG 10/3845/27/4
Albert Street, West Derby, Liverpool
Edward Rothwell 26 Porter
Jane Rothwell wife 22
Margaret Rothwell dau 3
Sarah Rothwell dau 6 months
Jan
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I'm suspecting that he married Louisa Jane Foully at St Nicholas on 23rd June, 1867. In case you don't have the details, he was of full age and she was a minor, both lived in Sun Street, Bachelor and spinster. He was a butcher, father Anthony Rothwell, Cowkeeper. Her father was Alexander Foully, Mariner.
Edward signed and Louisa Jane made her mark X. Witnesses were John Kinley and Mary Ellen Whitby.
There is a death for a Louisa Jane Rothwell Q1 1889 West Derby 8b 269 age 40.
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There is a burial for a Louisa Rothwell at Ford Cemetery on 6th March, 1889 address 147 Field (probably Field Street) age 40, Grave No. 2630. Were your Rothwells Catholic?
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Do we know who his wife was ???....and if possible what year she was born ?
Mary ...I thought his mother in law was Clark on 1881 census ?....wouldn`t that make his wife a Clark ??..
then again ,I suppose his MIL could have married again..
allan
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Hi Allan
I thought that, but the census says mother,not mother in law. According to the 1871 she was Jane, but the Louisa Jane that Mary found looks good especially as there was a daughter Louisa. Still doesn't explain where she was in 1881.
Purchasing one of the children's birth certificates would give her maiden name and confirm if this is the right one.
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Thanks Groom...I just got a little confused....so his mum married again...lol....allan
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I suppose his MIL could have married again..
That was my thought, although the actual image says Mother not Mother In Law.
I have a birth 25 July 1876 baptism 1st April 1887 for a Louiza Rothwell child of Edwardi and Joanna Rothwell (nee Foley). Godmother Brigitta Sythe. This took place at St Francis Xaviers.
Joanna = Jane ? Did the mother use the name Jane rather than Louisa? Is Foley close enough to Foully to be mistaken?
The Field Street address on the burial is very close to SFX church.
It's all supposition of course and obviously up to JB to confirm the mother by means of a birth certificate, perhaps of his direct ancestor, but I thought perhaps the date of the marriage was so close and also the child Louisa Jane being named after her mother.
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Sounds reasonable. Can you find the baptisms of the two older children as that might help. Margaret 1868 and Sarah 1870?
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Baptisms also for
At St Nicholas
Margarita Rothwell born 6th March 1868 baptised 15th June 1868
Parents Edwardi and Joanna Rothwell (nee Foley)
Godmother Margarita Foley
At SFX
Albert Victor Rothwell born 2nd January, 1888 baptised 28th January 1888
Parents Edward and Jane Rothwell (nee Foley)
Godmother Sarah Rothwell
At St Nicholas
Sarah Rothwell born 26th August 1870 baptised 30th September 1870
Parents Edwardi and Johanna Rothwell (nee Foley)
Godmother Margaretta Foley
At Sacred Heart
Beatricia Rothwell born 7th November, 1877 baptised 2nd February 1878
Parents Edwardi and Jane Rothwell (nee Foley)
Godmother Maria Foley
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That's got to be the family, hasn't it?
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Looks like
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I still cant see Louisa/Jane/Joanna Rothwell in 1881 though, or Beatrice.
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Thank you MaryA,
So do you think that the family were catholic? My Grandmother many years ago said that the family had converted form catholicism to the Anglican church due to the location of schools!!
I guess that literacy levels may have been poor explaining the miss-spelling of names.
Please take a look at my other post.
Kindest regards
JB
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Yes these baptisms and marriage took place in RC churches, the first names are often latinicised - if that's a word? but probably literacy played a part in the Foully name since Louisa Jane couldn't write.
Please take a look at my other post.
You haven't given a link to it.