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Please could anybody tell me where somebody who died at Silsbridge Lane, Bradford in 1879 may be buried? I believe it was in Manningham
thanks for any help!
Sandra
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Undercliffe cemetery is likely but by no means the only possibility.
You could try writing to the staff of the local history department Bradford Central Library. They are very helpful and if you have a date they might do a look-up for you.
Dave
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Thanks Dave that's a very helpful suggestion. I do have a date so I think I will write to them
best wishes
Sandra
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Silsbridge Lane, Bradford is just off Grattan Road above Thornton Road main road out of Bradford (Google map it.) in the city of Bradford
Therefore I would think the St Peter's church ( Now Bradford Cathedral) is the most likely place of burial.
Blackburns memoriels inscriptions may have it at the Library.
What is the name of this ancestor as we maybe able to look it up!
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Hi Dobfarm
His name was Joseph Barrett and he died 19 June 1879. He was married at Bradford Cathedral but I didn't know they still did burials there in 1879. If you could look it up that would be brilliant thanks!
Sandra
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Sorry to disappoint but He not buried at St Peter's
Best advise is as Dave said Bradford Library / Archives Mi's and Indexed parish burials (They may charge ? depends on who answers the phone.) Email enquires charge.
For Cemeteries
Bradford Cemeteries and Crematoria Dept.
Scholemoor Cemetery
Necropolis Road
Bradford
BD7 2PS
Tel 01274 571313
Good Luck
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Thanks. I've emailed the library and I'll see what comes back, if anything! Can't hurt to ask can it?
Sandra
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What about sending an e mail to Bradford History Society?
I will send you a personal message giving the mailing address of person who will know where your Joseph is.
Regards Brian
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Hi sandra, think it's been mentioned before but scholemoor cemetery, necroplolis road, bradford could be a possible, if you ring them on bfd 01274571313 (weekdays) they will check for you and tell you if joseph's grave is in there, another possible is Thornton graveyard, Thornton road, bradford. good luck
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another possible is Thornton graveyard, Thornton road, bradford.
I think this might be the cemetery situated in Thornton village and is a considerable distance (about 10 miles) from Silsbridge Lane which was/is near the center of Bradford.
Assuming that you had no luck with the suggested avenues of research, there were several non-parochial chapels in the area and some had their own burial grounds. You could Google 'Bradford Churches' and see if you get any leads from that.
West Yorkshire Archive Services have lots of graveyard and burial information but may charge for look-ups.
Tel 01274 435099
bradford@wyjs.org.uk
Dave
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By 1879 were not most of the parish church cemeteries full and in the preceeding decade Scholemoor was built to cope with this problem.
My guess would be to check out Scholemoor and Undercliffe cemetery.
My lot lived in Manningham and Ilkley and some are in one of these and others in the other so proximity to residence for place of burial doesn't seem necessarily relevant.
charlotte
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I have just found this document, which is rather useful, it indicates that St Paul's Manningham was doing burials until 1929 (St Paul's is actually just up the road from the area now commonly known as Manningham - in Shipley).
Bradford St Peter (Bradford Cathedral) was doing burials until 1919.
http://www.wyjs.org.uk/documents/archives/Collections%20Guide%201.pdf
I think I might put this with my favourites, it really does look helpful.
Dave
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Hi sandra, Undercliffe cemetery is a possible but many gravestones in tht graveyard have been 'removed'...many have been re sited around the graveyard, I am looking for my gg grandfather a police officer benj wright who was attacked in bradford slums which included silbridge lane, attacked in 1878- died 6 mths later in march 1879..I will enq with scholmoor cem this morning if you would like...?
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scholemoor cemetery ringing me back today.They are checking for your Joseph Barrett and my Benjamin Wright.
You could also try kipping independent church at thornton.
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scholemoor cemetery bradford have rung back today, no trace of joseph barratt at this cemetery, sorry.
regards, Judy
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I would have thought that Bradford Family History Society would be able to help - re Bradford burials.
(Appears they have problems with the website at the moment - Membership member advised.)
They do a burial CD where an online search can be done prior to purchase - surname only.
Regards Brian
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Thanks everybody for your input, and Judy for asking at Scholemoor for me. I hope you found your Benjamin Wright?
Brian - I believe I've already checked the Bradford FHS site without success but will look again when it's back online.
I emailed Bradford library last year and they checked Undercliffe but he wasn't there. They suggested he may have been buried in a churchyard so it looks like I'll have to make the trip to Bradford to see if I can find him if he's not on the Bradford FHS site. Thanks to you all for your suggestions on the churches, it should make my search easier.
Sandra
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good luck sandra, yes I found my benjamin, I was lucky, the staff at scholemoor are very good, some depts charge a fiver for looking up gravestones - if you ring scholemoor, they will tell you of any other possibles, also, 1871-1879 and probably further either side of these dates silbridge lane was considered as the 'slum' area of bradford, maybe if people were not able to pay for proper funerals they were interred elsewhere, other than municipal cemeteries, but you'd need someone with more knowledge than me on that one... do you have a burial record for him?..i am researching an ancestor who died in the 'workhouse' and she was buried in the parish of eccleshill in 1902..hope you find him and I will bear him in mind...
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hudsonj,
may I ask which workhouse your ancestor died in ? I have a death in 1906 at Clayton Union Workhouse and I have not been able to trace the burial.
Dave
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Hi Dave, sorry I don't know which workhouse, I don't know much yet about this ancestor and she is rather way down the line!, I expect there will be a list of workhouses in bradford somewhere, the burial record was just headed 'just stated 'burials in the parish of eccleshill, county of york, 1902- then a brief entry of the deceased name, abode (whish is just shown as 'workhouse', date buried age, and the person who performed the ceromny...I assume there was probably a workhouse in the eccleshill area or greengates, bradford although one entry on the list is for Farsley which is near calverley, leeds. soor it is not much help.
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There was a workhous at Idle, 10minutes walk from Eccleshill.
(Iwill have a look at Idle for you)
www.calverleyinfo.com
Just checked, nothing reported for your Benjamin.
Brian
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thankyou for your last brian, the name of the person from the workhouse was a betsy agar,...benjamin wright is another thread-he is in scholemoor cem,bradford, i have been there today, got dets of birth and death of his baby son off the headston, but sadly, no date of birth forbenjamin...does anyone know if the workhouses would have any records and if so, where held? also, did people just go into the workhouses because they had no money? ...i have lot of digging to do surrounding betsy agar...i think she is probably in a churchyard somewhere..may even be in idle parish church, but they did not ring me back.
regards,
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Right then, this Betsy Agar what do you know about her?
There are Agar named family on the database, you might find some who you have info for.
http://vitaldb.moorlandit.com/index.php
Just put agar into surname, record type all.
Regards Brian
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Hi Dobfarm
His name was Joseph Barrett and he died 19 June 1879. He was married at Bradford Cathedral but I didn't know they still did burials there in 1879. If you could look it up that would be brilliant thanks!
Sandra
Hi Sandra,
I don't what to make of this ? If its someone (Or even you) who asking or have a grave info?
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=76267057
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hi sandra, we appear to have moved away from your gravestne enq.
to dave the tyke- re workhouses- check out website-www.workhouses.org.uk/bradford/ then choose'deaths'..there often was no headstone. think some elderly people by 1901 might have gone into the one at daisy hill...the workhouse at idle was at windhill old road, thackley, bfd....
better start a new topic for my betsy agar. tahnks all.
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Dobfarm - I hadn't seen that on findagrave but it's definitely the same person. Looks like someone else is looking for Joseph's grave too!
I've checked out all the Bradford parish burials on Ancestry and Joseph isn't on any of them so I'm wondering if he was perhaps buried at a non conformist chapel. Still waiting for Ancestry to upload those.
Judy, don't worry about moving onto another topic. It all makes interesting reading.
Sandra
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Hi Hudson,
Sometimes Charity funded type poorlaw institutions did put a very basic grave tombstones on their late inhabitants. My Great x 3 gran also one in Halifax I looked up for someone had stone epitaphs in none pauper grave sections.
Dobby
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Dobfarm - I hadn't seen that on findagrave but it's definitely the same person. Looks like someone else is looking for Joseph's grave too!
I've checked out all the Bradford parish burials on Ancestry and Joseph isn't on any of them so I'm wondering if he was perhaps buried at a non conformist chapel. Still waiting for Ancestry to upload those.
Judy, don't worry about moving onto another topic. It all makes interesting reading.
Sandra
Maybe join up, pool info and joint venture to find info! & on Joe.
Do you have Joe's death cert with his exact address at death
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Maybe Family connections-I havn't read it. Certainly some are your area!
http://www.mark23.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/BARRET/LAWYERS.htm
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Graves and Headstones - 3 things to note here -
You need to look at the burial records as well as the headstone because if there was no money for an inscription your relative could still be in there.
Several churches and cemeteries had paupers graves set aside for people with no money. Inmates from Clayton workhouse were buried in an unmarked communal paupers grave at Clayton Church until 1904. Scholemoor has a communal plot as does Guiseley. Daisy Hill which is the location of Lingfield Mount psychiatric hospital, is on the opposite side of Bradford to Eccleshill. The nearest to Eccleshill would probably have been the one at Idle.
Some people without funds could be buried, with strangers, in council owned graves as opposed to privately owned ones. These were proper graves as opposed to communal ones.
Dave
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Just to had to Dave's list!
Utilised family graves
Example epitaph (nothing to do with this request)
This MI is from St Paul's church graveyard at the Huddersfield UNI Queen St Huddersfield.
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The late Jonas Swailes of Mirfield who died 27th March 1855 aged 53 years
Also Thomas Fredrick Darwin of Mirfield moor son in law,of the above Jonas Swailes who died Sept 11th 1873 aged 48 years
Also of Harriet wife of the above Thomas Fredrick Darwin of Lumb lane Liversedge who died June 2nd 1882 aged 58 years
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scholemoor cemetery ringing me back today.They are checking for your Joseph Barrett and my Benjamin Wright.
You could also try kipping independent church at thornton.
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scholemoor cemetery bradford have rung back today, no trace of joseph barratt at this cemetery, sorry.
regards, Judy
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so the other big cem near.
only £5 for a search
http://www.undercliffecemetery.co.uk/undercliffe_fees.pdf
http://www.undercliffecemetery.co.uk/undercliffegenealogy.html
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contact Astrid Hanson at the Cathedral admin office
The old St Peters Registers (Now the the Cathedral) are kept at Bradford Cathedral and Christ church should/could be with them
Christ church Bradford. near Sibsbridge lane
http://www.bradfordtimeline.co.uk/185099.htm
1879
Architecture Belle Vue Grammar school (11/8) - see 1895
Christ Church, Darley Street demolished Usher Street school
Christ Church, Eldon Place {1940}
Wallers Buildings, 44 Sunbridge Road Queensbury station (14/4) {1955}
Southend Chapel
St John's Chapel, Wilmer Road
Silsbridge Lane demolished (unfit)
Sacred Heart of Jesus, Ilkley
http://www.anenglishmanshome.co.uk/christ_church_yard.htm
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Bradford/
BRADFORD, a market and parish-town, in Morley-division of Agbrigg and Morley, liberty of Pontefract; 6 miles from Bingley, 8 from Halifax, 10 from Leeds, Keighley, and Otley, 14 from Huddersfield, 15 from Wakefield, 34 from York, 196 from London. Market, Thursday. Fairs, March 3, June 17 and 18, December 9 and 10, for horned cattle, horses, pigs, &c. Bankers, Messrs. Peckover, Harris, and Co. draw on Messrs. Sir James Esdaile, and Co. 21, Lombard Street. Principal Inns, the Sun, and the Talbot. Pop. 13,064. The Church is a vicarage, dedicated to St. Peter, in the deanry of Pontefract, value, £20. Patron, Richard Fawcett, Esq. Here is also a Chapel of ease, called Christ's Church, in Darley Street, built by subscription, and consecrated in 1815."
Good hunting
Dobby
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good luck sandra, yes I found my benjamin, I was lucky, the staff at scholemoor are very good, some depts charge a fiver for looking up gravestones - if you ring scholemoor, they will tell you of any other possibles, also, 1871-1879 and probably further either side of these dates silbridge lane was considered as the 'slum' area of bradford, maybe if people were not able to pay for proper funerals they were interred elsewhere, other than municipal cemeteries, but you'd need someone with more knowledge than me on that one... do you have a burial record for him?..i am researching an ancestor who died in the 'workhouse' and she was buried in the parish of eccleshill in 1902..hope you find him and I will bear him in mind...
I am new to this and interested in how I can find whether a German immigrant who moved to the UK and got pregnant without benefit of marrying the man in 1891 would have also gotten herself sent to the "workhouse" if her employers terminated her services as an employee? On the 1891 UK census, her name was Caroline Geller and I believe her child was a son, but have no name for him.
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Dear Listress,
I am hoping that you (since you are a wizard) can help me find out what happened to a woman named Caroline Geller who came from Germany some time after 1888, met a man (my grandfather) with whom she lived during the 1891 census, but I know he got her pregnant and didn't marry her.
Someone told me that, since my grandfather was a servant (an assistant pork butcher to Charles Beyer of 74 Carlisle Rd) that he might have been denied permission to marry (the Beyers had thought Franky Weller -- my grandfather- "like a son" and been very angry. He came to the USA and married here but sent money for years (against my grandmother's strong objections) to the mother of his illegitimate child. I can't find Caroline anywhere after the 1891 census. Did she get run out of town on a rail?
Wondering....
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BecGilbert,
Really you should start a new thread on this.
The logical outcome would be for Caroline to marry - there is a marriage on FreeBMD
Marriages Dec 1898 (>99%)
BURTON Andrew Woolwich 1d 2239
Everett Winifred Anna Woolwich 1d 2239
Fenner John Frederick Woolwich 1d 2239
Geller Caroline Woolwich 1d 2239
Now search for Caroline Fenner or Burton in 1901 and see if she has a child.
Dave
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Hi There, I am Clifford and Iam a Bradford photographer and i am actually doing a Bradford Cemetery assingment at the moment. If anyone needs to find someone or needs a photo of a family member or friends grave, please don't hesitate to contact me.
Kind Regards
Clifford
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Clifford Hi,
Gibby1968 was wanting someone to photograph a couple of crematorium inscriptions at Scholemoor
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,585480.0.html
If you can help I'm sure it would be appreciated
Dave