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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Devon => Topic started by: montereyclose on Friday 20 May 11 09:55 BST (UK)
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My GG Grandmother was MARIA GIUSEPPA MIELE - (b.1887 Cassino, Italy) daughter of Antonio and Benadetta Miele. Her mother and father appear to have come to the Uk in the last years of the 1890's along with Antonionos two brothers - Pasquale and Fillipo.
All were originally street organ players in the Barnstaple/North Devon area, although Antonio seems to have travelled a little further (at least to Truro).
Maria married Giachiono RAIMO in 1905 (she was 16 he was 33!). Having one son (my G Grandfather in 1907) the family then moved to Holsworthy before Maria left the family and moved to Birmingham where she began a new life - but that's another story!
I'm trying to locate ANY ancestors of Antonio and Benadetta or of his two brothers (there was a post on here in 2006 but it seems to be dead).
Keeping my fingers crossed.....
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Hi, and welcome!
If you are wanting ancestors, then I reckon you should be looking in Italy?
Or is it descendants that you want?
1901 census has the families:
Reference RG13, Piece 2144, Folio 71, Page 44
36 Belle Meadow, Barnstaple
Miele, Antonio Head M 39 Street Organ Player b Italy
Miele, Beneditta Wife F 39 b Italy
Miele, Maria G Daughter F 14 b Italy
Miele, Salvatora Son M 12 b Italy
And a few doors away at 32 Belle Meadow
Reference RG13, 2144, 71, 43
Miele, Fillipo Head M 35 Street Organ Player
Miele, Maria D Wife F 33
Miele, Julio Son M 10
Miele, Raffaela Daughter F 3
Miele, Silvestro Son M 3 - allborn Italy
Saldorioga, Acustino Boarder M 26 Street Organ Player b USA
and boarding at 20 Belle Meadow (same reference, page 41)
Miele, Pasquale Boarder M 31
Neri, Guiseppe Boarder M 22
Galinari, Antonio Boarder M 36
Saliva, Angelo Boarder M 30
- all single, all street organ players, all born Italy
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Hopefully both! Though I admit I MEANT descendants!
Thanks for the 1901 census extracts.
I have as much information as I'm likely to find from online resources and now hope that through the forum I can trace some DESCENDANTS who might be anle to help fill in some more...
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We aren't allowed to tell you about the 1911 census (copyright & legal stuff), but you can search the index for free at www <dot> 1911census <dot> co.uk.
Or you can pay some money and see the whole thing!!
There are 23 people with surname Miele on the 1911 census.
FreeBMD <dot> org <dot> uk can be used to search Birth, Marriage and Death registrations.
So there's still plenty online for you to look at.
And another rule here is that we can't mention people who are potentially living.
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Thanks for your help.
Although I have only just joined this formum, I'm pretty experienced in whats available and have already used the 1911 census as well as alien registers etc - online sources and original primary sources.
Maria died in 1958 so we're ok with the privacy bit too.
Thanks again
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Although this doesn't in fact help with your search for descendants, I wondered if you had seen this?
http://www.gravestonephotos.com/public/findfamily.php?name=Miele.
There are some images fof gravestones for some of the people you have mentioned. You just email to obtain a copy. This is a free service.
Good luck with your search
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Hi there
I've been researching this Miele family for some friends of ours. Their branch is descended from Antonio and Benadetta Miele via their daughter Teresa (born 1902).
I thought I had got as far as I can by means of the normal records/websites but your snippets here and on your other post expanded the bits about Maria Guiseppa MIELE / Giachiono RAIMO / Salvatore TRESIGNI (I think this should be TERSIGNI?) which I had only sketched. Presumably you know that Antonio and Benedetta also moved to Birmingham between 1911 and 1921 (when he died).
One bit of your tree I think I can improve... Maria Guiseppa was born I think to a previous wife of Antonio. He only married Benadetta (in Italy?) in 1901 (the 1911 census says that the marriage was only 10 years old, but they were married in the 1901 census, and there were only two children from that marriage, not four).
Anyway, PM me if you want to compare notes on Antonio and his brothers.
Best wishes,
Colin
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Great to hear from you Colin - Teresa was Maria's younger sister...
Have sent you a pm with my email address - look forward to hearing from you
Shawn
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Hi,
My name is Richard. My father was Anthony Miele and he was the son of Salvatore Miele. Antonio and Benedetta Miele were my great grandparents. Salvatore was the younger brother of Teresa and Maria. Hopefully you might still read this forum and contact.
My uncle is planning to travel back to Cassino at easter 2013 to meet the remainder of the ancestors. Might be nice to catch up.
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Hi Richard.
Great to hear from you (and season's greetings!). Yours is the one bit of the Miele tree that I didn't have much detail on! Shawn and I have recently been consolidating all the known research - lots of interesting stuff. But you're in touch with the Italian side of things??? that's one thing we haven't got so would be VERY interested in swapping research!
I'll Private Message you with my email and we can go from there.
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Ummm, your inbox is 'full' so I can't PM you Richard!
So in for a penny... my addy is colin * postheathmedia * com (replace the asterisks with the usual stuff!).
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His inbox isn't full!
He just needs to make another 2 posts before he can use the PM system! ;D
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Yep! A bit of a system fail isn't it!
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Not really! ;D
This rule has always been there - it's to stop spammers getting into the PM system!
From a system point-of-view, newcomers have a "maximum" of 0?!
That's why the message looks a bit strange.
I think the rest of us used to have a limit of 50 PM's?
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Oh, I know and respect the reasons! I just think newbies should be able to receive PMs but not to send... Happy Xmas by the way!
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Hi sorry havent got back in touch earlier, Just finished all the xmas stuff.
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I dont really know a lot about "the family" as my dad never talked about it really, but I know of my dads cousin that moved to venezuela. He went out there and met them many years ago. In the '70's - early '80 I think. Sadly he passed away 5 years ago, so I cant ask him details now, but my Uncle would be the next best person to talk to about them and also the desendents in cassino.
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Hi Richard - Happy Xmas and (for that reason) I didn't really expect a reply for a couple of days! Anyway, my email is on my original reply to you if you want to get the full gory details of the Miele family as we know them.
Just from your intro, i've tentatively reconstructed your immediate family:
Salvatore Miele (1891-1977) married Antonia Nardone (1893-1964), almost certainly back in Cassino. They had three known children - all born in South Birmingham, including your dad and uncle.
Salvatore was the second eldest (and only son) of Antonio's known/surviving children born to his first (as yet unidentified) wife in Cassino. Their first child was Maria Guiseppa, born c1889 in Cassino and she had a 'complicated' life. Shawn, also on this thread, is descended from her. Antonio's wife obviously died sometime in the 1890s in Italy, and he travelled to Barnstaple with his single brother, Pasquale to try his luck.
Around 1900/1901, both brothers seemed to travel back to Italy to marry and they came back in time for the 1901 census with their new wives and a third, married, brother Fulipe. Antonio and Benedetta then had two more daughters, Teresa b.1902 and Antonia b.1903. My research is centred on Teresa, as you know.
The Italian side of things is a complete black hole to Shawn and I, although I believe some Cassino records have been microfilmed and are available to view in the Latter Day Saints Family History Centres. Neither Shawn nor I speak Italian though! That's why I jumped in the air when you said your uncle still had connections with the Italian side of the family!
Anyway, send me an email and I can start sending you the interesting stuff!
Cheers, Colin
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Hello all. My Capaldi ancestors came from Cassino.
My great grandfathers godmother was a Miele.
I have a group on Facebook called
Cassino Italian Immigrants
Please join. You will find it very interesting. .....