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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Surrey => England => Surrey Lookup Requests => Topic started by: kms1974 on Thursday 19 May 11 11:14 BST (UK)
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I'm looking for any record at all from Census, birth, death or marriage for a William Field who was the husband of Anne Field and father of their three children Walter born 1842 in Hampshire, Helen born 1845 in Norwood Surrey and Frederick born 1948 in Norwood. Walter was born in either Tichley or Bentworth Hampshire depending on which Census you believe, and the father William obviously was with the family until at least 1848, but there is no record of their father William Field by the 1851 Census onwards when Anne and her children resided in Marylebone Middlesex where they lived until the 1891 Census, after which Helen joined her brother Frederick's family in Leyton Essex which is the last record. I'm guessing if he died or left, it would have been in Surrey. Regards, Kathy.
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Hi
What about this death - I believe that Norwood came under the Lambeth registration district
William Field
March quarter 1849
Lambeth 4 251
Jan
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Do you have (or can you get) one of the kids - Frederick* or Helen* most likely - Birth Certificates - this should provide Ann's maiden name and possibly help in the 1841 census. It doesnt look like they were together in 1841, but every little helps!
* Both seem to have been registered in the Croydon District, which I believe then lapped Lambeth?
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How do you know that the father was William, where did you get that information from?
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Thanks for the information. I will order the birth certificates for Helen or Frederick which I've located on the England & Wales Free BMD Index. Can't seem to find the record for my ancestor Walter unless I can find it in some online parish records for Hampshire. His marriage certificate in Australia has no details, and his death certificate states mother Ann Field and father Field with no first name. I got the William from the christening records for Helen and Frederick in the familysearch.org site. A strange thing I noticed in the 1861 Census is that her "mother" Priscilla Field" born in Wigmore Herefordshire is living with them. Perhaps they mean mother in law. However, Walter named gave his eldest daughter the middle name Howard which could be his mother's maiden name. I'll try the death certificate mentioned above for William. Thanks once again. Kathy.
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Hi, I've found another child for you - from Surrey baptisms not in the IGI
Helen Field baptised 2nd Feb 1845 daughter of William and Ann Field abode Norwood occupation Ostler.
Rosa Eleanor Field baptised 4th October 1846 daughter of William and Ann Field abode Norwood occupation Ostler.
Frederick Field baptised 4th June 1848 son of William and Ann Field abode Norwood occupation Ostler.
All children were baptised at Croydon, All Saints (Upper Norwood)
Jan
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Thanks for the new information Jan. Rosa Eleanor must have died before the 1851 Census because she isn't in that one or any subsequent ones. Regards, Kathy.
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Does anyone know if there is an online parish clerk for Hampshire? I have got about as much information on Walter Field's family in the London area as I can find including his parents Anne Field and William Field's wedding at St. Mary, Bryanston Square Middlesex on 23/7/1844 and the births of their three other children in Norwood, and even a death certificate for William 4/1/1849 in Lambeth, and even Anne and her sister's births and their parents marriage. And that is because all that London information is online. However, Walter Field in his 1851 and 1861 English Census is said to have been born in Hampshire (2 years before their wedding) in either Bentworth of Tichley (?), and in all his Australian records detailing his work as a ship steward he consistently says born 1842 or 1843 Hampshire, as does his Australian marriage and death certificates.
How do I get information about Hampshire baptisms when they're not online. He should be in the England Birth Index but I can't find him there either. Any suggestions? Regards, Kathy Schneider.
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He should be in the England Birth Index but I can't find him there either.
Have you tried looking for him under his mother's maiden name? If he was born 2 years before their wedding he is likely to have been registered as that. In that case there is no guarantee that William Field was his natural father. ;D
Jan
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Hi Jan, yes my research has revealed that his mother's surname was Field too, so even if William wasn't his father his surname would still have been Field if Anne was unmarried at the time. I've found their wedding (Anne Field m. William Field 23/7/1844 Westminster Middlesex), and Anne Field's parents are Joseph Field (and in his marriage record his wife is Priscilla Crumpton (m. 7.9.1809 Westminster Middlesex). This accords with the 1861 Census record of Priscilla Field (mother) living with Anne Field, Walter, Ellen and Frederick. I've found Priscilla living elsewhere in Marylebone in 1851 but can't find her anywhere in 1841. I was hoping she was living in Hampshire and that Annie was with her but no luck. Perhaps she was sent to the country to have the baby, or had a job there, but can't find her. Incidentally the birth certificate for Helen I got said William's job was Ostler and the death certificate for William in 1849 in Norwood describes him as a Fly Master who died at an Inn in Norwood. Is that an overseer of the fly coaches, or is this possibly the wrong William. Anne's death certificate describes her as widow of William "Inn Keeper", but that sort of embellishment seems common as time goes on!
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I would say it is the same person:
Fly Coachman / Flyman /Fly Proprietor/Master: 1) Drove a "fly" a one horse two wheeled light carriage. 2) A Fly Proprietor/Master employed fly drivers for hire and usually owned the flys.
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Thanks for that definition. Looks like he advanced from Ostler. Cause of death wasn't an accident, Asthma following Pneumonia. He was 50 at death in 1849 which would have made him rather old when he married Anne in 1844, although they were Batchelor and Spinster so no prior marriages indicated.