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Title: Harker/Helliwell in Halifax/Bradford
Post by: Seasideman on Wednesday 18 May 11 14:03 BST (UK)
I have great-grandparents by the name of Mary Elizabeth Harker and William Fergus Helliwell in the Bradford/Halifax area.  They were in Bradford for the 1901 census and the 1911 census. In the 1901 census William's age is given as 33 and Mary's as 27.  William is listed as a widower on the wedding certificate 01/04/1893 where there names are given as William Furges Helliwell and Mary Eliza Harker.  William may not have had this middle name all his life.  I am unable to trace their earlier lives and anything about William's first wife.  Can anyone help please?

Peter
Title: Re: Harker/Helliwell in Halifax/Bradford
Post by: KGarrad on Wednesday 18 May 11 14:38 BST (UK)
Try this one?

June qtr 1887
Bradford district    Vol 9b, Page 78

Halliwell, William Fergus
 - and on the same page -
Barden, Emily Jane
Willetts, Sarah Ann


His wife had already passed on by the 1891 census:

Reference RG12, Piece 3616, Folio 33, Page 23
267 Wakefield Road, Bowling, Bradford

Helliwell, William  Head  Widower  M  24  Fishmonger  b Halifax
Waterhouse, Wilfred Boarder  Widower  M  22  Carter  b Apperley Bridge
Title: Re: Harker/Helliwell in Halifax/Bradford
Post by: groom on Wednesday 18 May 11 14:48 BST (UK)
Hi

Welcome to Rootschat

There is this in the 1891

RG 12/3616/33/23
267, Wakefield Rd, Bowling, Bradford

William Helliwell  head 24  widower Fishmonger   Halifax
Wilfred Waterhouse    22  widower  Carter           Apperly Bridge Yorks

Jan

Sorry KGarrad, didn't see the extra bit on your post.
Title: Re: Harker/Helliwell in Halifax/Bradford
Post by: groom on Wednesday 18 May 11 14:54 BST (UK)
Possible death

Sarah Ann Helliwell aged 28
Dec quarter 1889
Halifax 9a 326

There is no suitable death for an Emily Helliwell, so it looks as if he married Sarah Ann Willetts.

Jan
Title: Re: Harker/Helliwell in Halifax/Bradford
Post by: KGarrad on Wednesday 18 May 11 14:56 BST (UK)
And also:

March qtr 1887
Halifax district    Vol 9a, Page 404
Helliwell, Sarah Ann   age 25
Title: Re: Harker/Helliwell in Halifax/Bradford
Post by: groom on Wednesday 18 May 11 14:59 BST (UK)
Isn't that too early if they married June quarter 1887?
Title: Re: Harker/Helliwell in Halifax/Bradford
Post by: KGarrad on Wednesday 18 May 11 15:10 BST (UK)
Ah! Probably!!  :-[
Title: Re: Harker/Helliwell in Halifax/Bradford
Post by: Seasideman on Wednesday 18 May 11 22:15 BST (UK)
Thank you all for your very prompt responses.  I'll digest them for a bit and get back to you with any results I obtain.

thanks again,

Peter
Title: Re: Harker/Helliwell in Halifax/Bradford
Post by: Seasideman on Monday 23 May 11 17:45 BST (UK)
Sarah Ann Helliwell aged 28
December quarter 1889 

This person died of TB on 3rd October 1889 at 82 Haigh Street, Halifax and  was reported by her sister who was present at the death.  Both sisters have the same surname and it is highly likely that they were both single.  It would also be unusual for William Fergus not to be in attendance at his wife's death.  So it seems that one Sarah Ann Helliwell was single and one died before William was married.  I now feel stumped. ???
Title: Re: Harker/Helliwell in Halifax/Bradford
Post by: groom on Monday 23 May 11 19:25 BST (UK)
That's a nuisance. What was the sister's name, if we can find them in 1881 that will definitely eliminate them? It wasn't an uncommon name as there are 3 Sarah Ann Helliwells born 1860/61 in Halifax.  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Harker/Helliwell in Halifax/Bradford
Post by: Seasideman on Monday 23 May 11 21:06 BST (UK)
The death certificate only says E Helliwell.  The initial is not easy to read but that is what I think it is.

In 1881 census in the Helliwell Buildings at Warley in the district of Sowerby Bridge there is a Margret Helliwell aged 71 as Head of Household.   There is one married son, John H and one unmarried son, Ellis.  There is one married daughter by the name of Ellen Helliwell (John's wife and could be daughter-in-law?).  There is one granddaughter and two grandsons.  The granddaughter is called Sarah Ann Helliwell.  The daughter, Ellen, is 25 years old, the granddaughter, Sarah Ann is 20 years old which seems way too high.  The grandsons are suitably young at 3 and 0.

A separate family, at Rails Lane in Midgley, has two granddaughters, Sarah Ann Helliwell and Emily Helliwell.  This means that the two Sarah Ann Helliwells I have found both have sisters with the initial "E".
Damn.
Title: Re: Harker/Helliwell in Halifax/Bradford
Post by: groom on Monday 23 May 11 21:44 BST (UK)
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The daughter, Ellen, is 25 years old, the granddaughter, Sarah Ann is 20 years old

That Sarah Ann would fit age wise with the one who died aged 28 in 1889.
Title: Re: Harker/Helliwell in Halifax/Bradford
Post by: Seasideman on Tuesday 24 May 11 12:17 BST (UK)
Sorry, I should have checked, but the suggestion in KGarrad's post of "Sarah Ann Willetts" should read "Sarah Jane Willets" according to my search results.  I have sent for the wedding certificate to see if it matches.