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Title: 1861 and 1871 lookup please
Post by: old birkonian on Tuesday 26 April 05 15:18 BST (UK)
I am searching for a James Whittow whose son Thomas was born in South Wales ~1841.

Thomas married in 1864 in Liverpool and his marriage certificate shows his father's occupation as "farmer".  Thomas died six years later in Liverpool, possibly predeceasing his father James.

I have little to go on except the town of Merthyr Tydfil figures in "family myth & legend!"  The surname Whittow seems most common in Pembrokeshire but have had no success in locating a record there for James Whittow, who I estimate must have been born around 1815.

Any clues on James Whittow would be appreciated.  Cheers Peter
Title: Re: 1861 and 1871 lookup please
Post by: casalguidi on Tuesday 26 April 05 16:54 BST (UK)
The only WHITTOW (exact spelling) I can see in 1871 Wales at present is:

Water Holmes? Farm, Wiston, Pembrokeshire

William B WHITTOW head unm 32 steward of 109 acres employing 1 labourer and 1 servant b.St Ishmael Pembroke
George Thomas HARRIES cousin 12 b.St Dogwells Pembroke
Annie Eliza HARRIES 7 b.St Brides Pembroke
Esther THOMAS servant unm 34 b.Lancvidmore Pembroke

Rg10/5529 folio 15 page 5

Casalguidi
Title: Re: 1861 and 1871 lookup please
Post by: old birkonian on Tuesday 26 April 05 17:40 BST (UK)
Hi Casalguidi
Thanks for the reply.  However I had previously found this record for William Whittow and his location, St Ishmaels, had raised my hopes of finding James since his son, Thomas, married Sarah Gullam who came from St Ishmaels, even though they married in L'pool.

Thanks all the same.    Peter
Title: Re: 1861 and 1871 lookup please
Post by: boycefamilytree on Saturday 28 May 05 20:31 BST (UK)
LOOKED ON 1851 CANT FIND THEM THERE IN GLAMORGAN AREA.
DAVID BOYCE
Title: Re: 1861 and 1871 lookup please
Post by: welshjo on Friday 26 August 05 08:25 BST (UK)
A quick search on 1837online 1861 census does show a Thomas G Whittow aged 19 living in Haverfordwest.
There are 3 other Whittows in the same area

Whittow George    78
Whittow Matthew  47
Whittow Thomas    51

It might be worth a look. Hope it helps
Title: Re: 1861 and 1871 lookup please
Post by: ginge119 on Monday 21 November 05 23:38 GMT (UK)
Have you got the name and occupation of Sarah's father? I maybe be able to help in that my wife's family of Gullams/gwilliams came from St Ishmaels and it isnt that big of a place.
Title: Re: 1861 and 1871 lookup please
Post by: ginge119 on Monday 21 November 05 23:39 GMT (UK)
Have you got the name and occupation of Sarah's father? I maybe be able to help in that my wife's family of Gullams/gwilliams came from St Ishmaels and it isnt that big of a place.
Title: Re: 1861 and 1871 lookup please
Post by: old birkonian on Tuesday 22 November 05 08:00 GMT (UK)
Sarah Gullam's father was Richard Gullam who was a "Mariner".  Any further info from these censuses would be appreciated. Thanks Peter
Title: Re: 1861 and 1871 lookup please
Post by: ginge119 on Tuesday 22 November 05 13:46 GMT (UK)
I looked up the records I collected from Pembs Record Office. The only Richard Gullam around that time was married to a Mary Morse, he was a Mariner and they had children around 1840. I cant seem to find a baptism for Sarah however. I know it doesnt help with your initial search but I thought it might help you with the Gullam side. If any of that rings true, give me a shout as this is my wife's 'rabble' of Gullams. Ricard was born around 1823.
Title: Re: 1861 and 1871 lookup please
Post by: old birkonian on Tuesday 22 November 05 17:00 GMT (UK)
Hello again "Ginge119",
Sorry but I gave some duff info.  It was Martha (not Sarah) Gullam who married Thomas Whittow in Liverpool on November 7th 1864.  Consequently I'm looking for any information on  these two relatives, both of whom were born in Pembrokeshire.  At the time of their marriage Thomas, a tailor, was aged 23 and Martha a year younger.  The occupation of Thomas' father, James Whittow, is shown as "Farmer" and as I indicated earlier Richard Gullam was a Mariner.

Any further details on either the Gullam or Whittow branches would be welcome.  Thanks again, Peter
Title: Re: 1861 and 1871 lookup please
Post by: ginge119 on Tuesday 22 November 05 18:05 GMT (UK)
Right then here we go.
The Martha you talk about is indeed a daughter of Richard Gullam and Mary Morse. Martha was baptised 24 Feb 1842 in St Ishmaels Church (the family lived at a place called Mastic). Richard Gollom and Mary Morse were married 25 Nov 1841, in Llanychare. Her father is listed as John Morse, Sailor.

Richard Gullam was baptised 21 Dec 1823 in St Ishmaels Church, his parents are John Gullam and Phebe Williams. They had at least 9 children between them. They were married in St Ishmaels 13 Dec 1816. John was a mariner.
I have some info on who their parents are but I have not confirmed yet taking them to marriages in 1770, but if you wish I can give you those details.

My wifes line comes from Martha's younger brother William, born in 1844. I have quite a bit of other info, but it may be too large to put on here.
I would be very interested in other info about Martha side that you have.
Title: Re: 1861 and 1871 lookup please
Post by: old birkonian on Tuesday 22 November 05 20:14 GMT (UK)
Many thanks for the rapid response and all the gen.  Martha Gullam is my maternal great grand mother and consequently her forebears are of great interest to me so anything you can provide will be gratefully received.  Possibly emailing attachments may be easier than posting here. Thanks Peter
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