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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: dazza71 on Sunday 15 May 11 04:21 BST (UK)
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I am looking for any information on my grandmother Doris watts, her family and descendants please.
Doris was born approx 1912 in the Sunbury, victoria area. Died approx 2009
Her mother was Mary V Watts Born 1875 appox and died approx 1952 Sunbury area.
Her father was Fred Watts born 1870 Died 1936 in Sunbury.
Any information on Doris's siblings and her parents families would be greatly appreciated.
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His dazza71,
Fred Watts died Sunbury 1936, age 66, Reg#20077.
His Father was listed as Thomas Watts and Mother as Eliz Unknown.
Cheers,
Janet.
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ty Janet
Is there any info on Thomas watts His sblings, mother or father??
Ty for your reply
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A possibility for Mary V
Mary Victoria Watts died 1958, Footscray, age 74, Reg#2509,
Parents listed as Wilkinson Kemp and Mary Jennings.
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ty Janet that is her.
is there no more info on thomas watts where he was born? died? siblings?
Mother and father??
i have no info on any of my nanas family except for what you have given so far...TY
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A sister for DORIS, but I have not found DORIS yet.
WATTS Marjorie
Father Fred
Mother Mary Victoria KEMP
Place SUNBURY
Year 1917
Reg. Numb 24782
FRED's birth I think
WATTS Frederick Henry
Father Thomas
Emily BELCH
Place SALE
Year 1870
Reg 25811
Sue
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If we are accepting the mother of FRED was EMILY, not ELIZABETH and father was THOMAS, there are about 7 births to the couple between 1856 and 1873.
These took place at Fryerstown and Sale..
They can be typed if of interest.
Sue
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Ty sparrett
Are there any other siblings for my nana Doris watts ??
Im being told they believe there were more than two of them.
Are there any listings for Fred watts having any siblings ??
Are there any listings for Mary Kemp having any siblings ??
Ty so much for your help. :) :)
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Yes type away please.
i think im the first to investigate this side of my family
This is all the info i have..
U guys are wonderful..TY :) :)
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A brother for Mary V
Norman Kemp died Gree, in 1972, age 78. Reg#22293.
Parents Wilkinson Kemp and Mary Jennings.
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Are there any other siblings for my nana Doris watts ?? DAZZA
but I have not found DORIS yet.SUE
WATTS Thomas Isaac
Father Thomas
Mother Emily BELCH
Birth Place FRYERS TN
Year 1856
Reg Number 2695
WATTS Charlotte
Father Thomas
Mother Emily BELCH
Birth Place FRYERSTOWN
Year 1859
Reg Number 22197
WATTS George
Father Thomas
Mother Emily BELCH
Birth Place FRYERS CK
Year1861
Reg Number 16569
WATTS Isabella
Father Thomas
Mother Emily BELCH
Birth Place SCHN
Year 1863
Reg Number 22988
WATTS Charles William
Father Thomas
Mother Emily BELCH
Birth Place SALE
Year 1866
Reg Number 23731
WATTS Matilda Agnes
Father Thomas
Mother Emily BELCH
Birth Place SALE
Year 1869
Reg 11202
WATTS Arthur John
Father Thomas
Mother Emily BELCH
Birth Place SALE
Year1873
Reg 19561
Sue
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This may be the death of THOMAS.
WATTS Thomas
Father Thos Isaac
Mother: -
Age 55
Death Place SALE
Year 1882
Reg Number 3232
Sue
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AH DEAR ME!!
WATTS Frederick Henry
Father Thomas
Mother Emily BECH
Age 5M
Birth Place SALE
Year 1871
Reg Number 2311
I apologise. We have not located the right birth for you FRED at all. :(
Sue
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Wilkinson Kemp married Mary Jennings March quarter 1880, in District of Macclesfield (England), Vol 8a, Page 163.
Link: http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Possibilities:
A Wilkinson Kemp was born June quarter 1855, in District of Haslingden, Vol 8e, Page 128.
A Mary Victoria Kemp was born March quarter 1884, in District of Chorlton, Vol 8c, page 871.
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TY so much Janet and sparrett for your time
Is there any info on fred watts father Thomas watts maybe from the fryers town area ?????
ty :) :)
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Mary Victoria Kemp married Frederick Watts June quarter 1906, District of Chorlton, Vol 8c, Page 1527.
Doris Watts born September quarter 1912, District of Barton upon Irwell, Vol 8c, Page 1243.
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A few Electoral notes
In 1919
FRED an agent and MARY VICTORIA, HD at O'Shanessy St. Sunbury.
1924
FRED at Evans St. Sunbury. An agent
MARY VICTORIA at O' Shannessy St Sunbury. HD
1942
FRED an agent, and DORIS a stenographer and MARY VICTORIA HD at Evans St. Sunbury
But also in 1942 ???
MARY VICTORIA HD and MARJORIE a typiste at 141 Puckle St. Moonee Ponds.
Sue
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http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/11955542?searchTerm="mary victoria watts"&searchLimits=
1937 notice of application for probate in the will of FRED WATTS by widow MARY VICTORIA WATTS.
Can only conclude that the 1942 Electoral entry is one which was not deleted at time of his death.
Sue
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ty so much.
it looks like they only had 2 children which seems odd for that time ?????
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There isnt any more information on Thomas Watts father of Fred watts??
:) :)
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Hi,
I'm just book marking in case I can be of help with photos of Sunbury or local history as I only live 20 minutes away and it is the town I shop in at least once a week.
Cheers, Ted
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Oh and Evans St and O' Shannessy are the main shopping and business streest in Sunbury
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Hi Ted
I'm just book marking in case I can be of help with photos of Sunbury or local history
I do not have access to Sunbury Cemetery Records (though I am thinking of redressing that soon ;) )
I wonder what would show up there to help dazza, if one could inquire.
There isnt any more information on Thomas Watts father of Fred watts?? dazza
You have mentioned this a few times now and it should be pointed out that there are many "THOMAS WATT's" in Victoria and helpers will be searching for the right man to best of ability ;D
Sue
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My apologies Sue.
I dont have any further information to go on here. I am the first person to invesigate my nan's side of the family so finding information is difficult.
Fred Watts and his wife Mary are buried at the Sunbury Cemetary. That is how I got their information. that is all i know about my nan's family.
The Sunbury cemetary goes back to 1840's so it might be a good idea to include it on your list.
I know Fred Watts was the Secretary of the Sunbury Agricultural society from 1916 to his death in 1936 and they have the Fred Watts Memorial Trophy in place as an award for excellence given to people from the S.A .Society.
Ty so much to everyone so far with your assistance, it means alot to me.
It looks like i might get stuck here on Thomas Watts, all i have is that he may have lived in the Fryers town area during the 1830's to the 1860's as the first of his 8 children were born there.
:) :) :)
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Hi dazza,
You need to go back and carefully re-read your thread. You are misunderstanding some sections
I do not think right THOMAS WATTS, the father, was in Australia....though there are many...
I have apologised for the error I made in posting the WRONG birth of a Frederick. This means the whole family of this Thomas and Emily is not yours. I was mistaken.
See Reply #15 from JANET for the marriage in ENGLAND of Fred and Mary and the possible birth there also of Doris.
Janet's findings are very likely indeed to be correct and the way to confirm is to purchase the English marriage certificate, or the birth certificate for the DORIS.
Sue
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Perhaps this is the FAMILY of Fred WATTS in the 1881 English census.
Thomas WATTS Head Married Aged 50 Born Bradford Manchester, Lancashire, England Occ Certificated Teacher MCP
Elizabeth WATTS Wife Married Aged 48 Born Shaw Oldham, Lancashire, England. Occ Teachers Wife
Hannah B. WATTS Daur Unmaried Aged 17 Born Rochdale, Lancashire, England Occ Governess
Phillis E. WATTS Daur Unmarried Aged 14 Born Rochdale, Lancashire, England Scholar
Alice WORMALL Sister In Law Unmarried Aged 38 Born Shaw Oldham, Lancashire, England. Occ Housekeeper
Fred WATTS Son Aged 11 Born Rochdale, Lancashire, England Scholar
There are about 7 others in the household listed variously as BOARDER or SERVANT
The address is
Hitchin Street "The College School"
And the census was taken at Baldock, Hertford, England.
Sue
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As ALICE WORMALL was THOMAS' unmarried sister-in-law, this is probably the marriage of THOMAS and ELIZABETH
Marriages Sep 1/4 1861
Watts Thomas
To WORMALL Elizabeth At Rochdale Vol 8e pg 91
Sue
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This seems to be the family of MARY VICTORIA KEMP in the 1881 English census.
She is not showing of course because as JANET has listed, she was not born until 1884
Wilkinson KEMP Head Married Aged 25 Born Haslingden, Lancashire, England Occ Silk Mercer
Mary KEMP Wife Married Aged 26 Born Prestbury, Cheshire, England
James KEMP Son Aged 1 m Born Manchester, Lancashire, England
There ae others at the address, but they appear unrelated to WILKINSON KEMP.
The address was 148 Stretford Rd
The census was taken at Hulme, Lancashire, England
Sue
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My apologies again.
I have gone back and re read the thread.
That very much sounds like the family.
I had just assumed my great grandparents mary and fred were born in Australia.
My mother is from lancashire England, gee i hope her family and Fred or mary's families are not related..lol...but i hope not.
Ty so much for your time and effort greatly appreciated.
:) :) :)
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Hi dazza,
I had just assumed my great grandparents mary and fred were born in Australia. dazza
Family history is always filled with surprises!
Sue
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You have said you have not much information, so here is the possible birth of a brother for DORIS in England.
Jun 1/4 1910
WATTS Harry Barton I. vol 8c pg 681
And his death in Victoria.
WATTS Harry
Father Frederick
Mother Mary Victoria
Place BACC
Age 71
Year 1981
Reg 26742
Sue
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The only information I have on my nans family is what you have provided.
I am compiling it at the moment.
I am now going to research Thomas Watts family from lancashire England and see how far I am able to go back.
Any further information you could provide is always greatly appreciated sparrett.
:) :)
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Hi dazza,
There is some electoral roll information on HARRY.
1931
WATTS. HARRY Evans Street, Sunbury, Clerk
1936
WATTS HARRY Evans Street, Sunbury, Clerk
He is with DORIS, FRED & MARY VIC.
1937
WATTS, HARRY 74 King Edward St. Sunshine
He is an Assembler
He is with DORIS, & MARY VIC.
After that, I cannot be certain I am looking at the same man on the roll.
1954
WATTS, HARRY. 15 Lorne St. Moonee Ponds
He is a Pastrycook.
With
WATTS, SARAH JOSEPHINE, H. Duties
There is a marriage
WATTS Harry
To REECE Sarah Josephine
Year 1939
Reg 482
Sue