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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Carmarthenshire => Wales => Carmarthenshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Richards74 on Thursday 12 May 11 18:14 BST (UK)
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Hello,
I am looking for parent details of a Martha Lewis born around 1833/1834 in St Clears, Carmarthenshire. I believe her father was a James Lewis and that she may have had a brother called Benjamin Lewis. I am trying to find the christian name and maiden name of her mother, along with any other information on her parents. She moved to the Brecon \ Merthyr area in the 1860's and married. I have the census reports etc from 1861 upwards, just not sure of the earlier info or pre census.
Regards and thanks
Richards74
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Hi
I believe her father was a James Lewis
Have you confirmed this from sight of her marriage certificate? If not - what information do you have to support her father being James and having a brother Benjamin?
There are 5 1841 entries born between 1832-1836 - none with a father called James
There is one entry who may be with grandparents which also has a Benjamin in the household. Ann Lewis was too old to be the mother of Martha or Ann
Living in the Civil Parish of St Peter
Griffith Lewis 64
Ann 58
David 22
Eliza 17
Benjamin 11
Martha 8
Ann 4
HO107 Piece 1387/ 2 Folio 53 Page 27
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Hello CaroleW,
Thanks for the reply.
James Lewis is the name of her father shown on her marriage certificate. He was an agricultural labourer, but he was deceased at the time of her wedding. There is a Benjamin Lewis at her marriage (witness) in Merthyr in the 1860's, living in the same street on the 1861 census as she put down as her location at marriage time. My thoughts are that they did not grow up with her parents, that Benjamin moved to Merthyr and that she followed on later. Also, one of her children who died as an infant was called James. Again, any help would be appreciated. I have access to the census info, so have an idea of where she was living. It would be nice to find her birth parents for certain and any other details.
Regards and thanks again.
Richards74
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The IGI confirms that Benjamin aged 11 in 1841 was the son of Griffith and Ann
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Hello CaroleW. Yes. I made an assumption that it was her brother. It could be a cousin, uncle etc or maybe no relation at all. However, at the time of the wedding they were both down as living in the same street (1861 census for Benjamin) wedding certificate for Martha. Both are down as being from St Clears.
Regards Richards74.
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I can see the 1861 for Benjamin but he was 36 in 1861 so born 1825 whereas the 1841 entry I listed was b 1830
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Some counters revised the 1841 census down to age 15 from 17, 13 to 10 etc, didn't they?
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Born 1830 - age in 1841 would be representative of that birthyear as he was under 15yrs old - so birthyear 1830
Birthyear 1825 would produce an age of 16 in 1841 which would be rounded down to 15 and give a birthyear of 1826
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Griffith Lewis 1777 was the father of Eliza Lewis the grandmother of my parternal grandfather.
Eliza had a brother Benjamin 1824/30 as you say rounding of numbers often leads to confusion when trying to trace a relative.
I have not found Eliza or her son also Benjamin 1855 anywhere on the 1841 census, quite frustrating.
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Hello Richards74 :)
..I am looking for parent details of a Martha Lewis born around 1833/1834 in St Clears, Carmarthenshire. I believe her father was a James Lewis .....
...James Lewis is the name of her father shown on her marriage certificate. He was an agricultural labourer, but he was deceased at the time of her wedding.
There is a Martha Lewis, daughter of James Lewis and Ann Thomas on IGI. It says that she was born on 2nd October 1831 and Christened at Bethlehem Independent Congregational, Saint Clears, Carmarthenshire on 26th November 1831
IGI Batch # C100981
Kind Regards
Morgan
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Cheers Morgan. that's the information I have and I think that's correct. Is there any way of finding the parents of James and Ann? The surnames at least pre marriage? ???
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There is a Christening in 1813 of James Lewis at the same place, but no parents named. It is always difficult with common names like Ann Thomas - there are too many listed just on Bethlehem Independent Congregational. Even with access to the Church records it will be hard to get the right couple as they will have married pre-1837.
Shame we can't find them on 1841 :(
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Hello Richards 74
I think I have James and Ann Lewis in 1841
Living in parish of St Clare(sic)
James Lewis 50 ag lab
Ann Lewis 50
Jonah Lewis 14
Ann Lewis 4
HO107,Piece 1382/2 Folio 25/p9
I have a marriage for James Lewis, Llanfihangel Abercowin ,and Ann Thomas, St Clears, in St Clears Church - 1 Dec 1812.
The following children baptised to James and Ann Lewis in Bethlehem Chapel, Pwlltrap
1815 Dynah
1819 Anna
1822 Sarah
1825 Margaret
1828 Jonah
1831 MARTHA
1834 Liza, died 1835
1837 Ann
There is also a James Lewis bap in 1813, no parents given, who could possibly be theirs as they married in 1812.
Also in St Clears marriages is John Lewis, Llanfihangel Abercowin, to Sarah Price, St Clears - 17 May 1787 - who might possibly be James Lewis's parents.
Hope this helps
Rhosgoch
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Thanks for the help Rhosgoch. ;)
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Hello Rhosgoch :)
Welcome to Rootschat!
Is this your Lewis family? My OH's ancestor Jonah Lewis came was born ca1824 in Llanfihangel Abercowin. :D
Kind Regards
Morgan
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Just a thought
Griffth and Ann Lewis
1841 census
David 1819
Eliza 1823
Benjamin 1830
Martha 1833
Ann 1838
Griffith born 1777 Ann his wife 1782
Griffith married Ann December 1802 age 25 well they appeared to have waited a while before having David in 1819
However checking the I G I's I found Mary 1813 and Margaret 1826 it is more than likey there were earlier births, maybe a James.
ACCORDING TO THE I G I David, Eliza , Benjamin ,Margaret and Mary were definately their children But Martha and Ann could not have been, I wonder if they were their grandchildren.
Martha possibly married a Thomas her father could have been James an earlier son of Griffith Ann also a dau of James?
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Hi Morgan,
Not sure if they are my family. My (H)Anna Lewis was born c1792. She married James Saer in Whitland church in 1813 and all their children from 1816 - 1837 were baptised in Bethlehem Chapel. James Saer was baptised in St Clears church in 1787 ( as Lewis Saer - maybe a hint to his mother's name as I can't find his parents marriage) and his parents are buried in the church, so I think the Nonconformist must have come from Anna's side. Anna died in 1839 so she isn't in any of the census to see where she was born. She could be from St Clears or any of the parishes around. Lower Llanboidy (Whitland), St Clears and Llanfihangel Abercowin are all so close together. They lived in Pwlltrap, not so very far from this Lewis family.
regards,
Rhosgoch
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sorry the reply was for another person researching Lewis !!
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Hi Rhosgoch
Saer could be a reference to occupation, as Saer is a Carpenter in Welsh.
Kind Regards
Morgan
p.s. raychel - do you need any of your posts removed? If so, send me a PM
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Hello again,
I'm bumping this thread.
I think the Martha I mention may have been born in Llanddowror. Where any of your Lewis family from there?
Regards
Richards74
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I still think your best bet is the family baptised in Bethlehem Chapel, Pwll Trap which is only about 2 miles from Llanddowror. Perhaps they lived between Llanddowror and St Clears when Martha was born. I can't find James and Ann in the 1851 so they could have died by then.
Just to confuse you there is a record of a Mary Lewis baptised in Llanddowror Church, 29- 8- 1824, to James Lewis and Elizabeth. I think this couple are later found in LLanfihangel Abercowin.
There are several Lewis families around Llanddowror, including a Benjamin Lewis and wife Hannah who also baptised in Bethlehem chapel.
What names did Martha use for her children? There is often a clue to family members here - parents, siblings, uncles and aunts.
I think you can discard the Martha living with Griffith Lewis in St Peters. She is still there in 1851 and described as his daughter.
Sorry not to be of more help.
R.