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I think I am looking for Homes Chappell & can't find it.
In a 1653 Will, of an Elizabeth WOODCOCKE of Gilmorton in the County of Leicester, she leaves;
unto the poore in Gilmorton Twentie shillings, plus
to the Poore in Homes Chappell Twentie shillings
Can anyone correct me and/or tell me where this place is, please?
Regards
Grantley
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There is a Holmes Chapel in Cheshire .... :-\ Does Elizabeth have any connection to Cheshire?
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Thankyou Ruskie,
I don't know, but I would doubt that this locality/parish would be outside the then boundries of Leicester, as the only County mentioned is Leicester.
She was described as "widdow late wife of Randolph WOODCOCKE of the towne and County aforesaid Clarke".
Regards
Grantley
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The Chapell wouldn't be Chapel as in a church would it? :-\
Could the first letter of Chappel be something other than a 'C'?
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I assumed "Chappell", as it was similar to the attached "Chattells"
Regards
Grantley
All I know about her at present is this Will.
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Yes, it is similar to the first letter C in Chattells. I can't see it as a C (looks more like an I) but I have no experience reading old documents and I know you do. ;)
All I can think to suggest is that perhaps Homes Chappell no longer exists, or it is such a tiny place that it's not mentioned on Genuki or a google search. ;) Not constructive I'm sorry.
I hope one of the Leicestershire experts will be along soon to help.
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can you show a little more of the document to compare the letters a little more.
I havent heard of Holmes Chapel in Leics., but there definately is in Cheshire...
:)
xin
or you could pm me I will give you email addie.
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This is part of the Will, that contains this hard to locate place.
Hope it helps.
Regards
Grantley
SHITTLEWOOD Tenne shillings Item I give unto my Grandchildren Elizabeth JACK-
SON in Remembrance of my love to her ffive poundes Item I give unto my
grandchild Alice GANDIE tenn poundes which it is my mynd and will
shall be paid to William AETON of Kermincham to be by him imployed
for my said Grandchild Alces use Till shee by Lawe cann give suf-
ficient discharge And the money due to me from my sonne Thomas &
Luke is not to be paid till one whole yeare next after my decease Item
I give unto the poore in Gilmorton Twentie shillings Item to the Poore
in Homes Chappell Twentie shillings Item all the rest of my goods Cattells
and Chattells after my debts Legacies and ffunerall expences are paid &
discharged I give and bequeath unto my said sonne Michaell WOODCOCKE
and Luke WOODCOCKE equally betweene them and I ordayne the said Mi-
chaell and luke my Executors of this my last will and testament hopeing
they will performe the same in all pointes according to my true meaninge
herein And in witnesse whereof I have sett to my hand and seale this
second day of August and in the yeare of our Lord god one thousand
six hundred ffiftie and three 1653. Elizabeth WOODCOCK her
marke Read sealed published & declared for her last will & Testamt in
the presents of Michaell TARLTEN Symon GRIFFIN Richard BETT.
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Xin,
you have had me checking my transcript & I started to doubt the letter "p", but here it is in the word "payd".
I would have guessed that the place was "local" to Gilmorton, considering it's casual mention.
Regards
Grantley
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Uhhhm... I cannot fathom the first letter ... so not sure at all. ???
Just thought I would be able to see another letter that was similar......
Still I am sure someone will help maybe on the deciphering board.
sorry
xin
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I don't think it can be Holmes Chapel as that place was known as Church Hulme until 1974, according to Genuki. Also I agree that it is most likely to refer to somewhere in Leicestershire as the county isn't specified.
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1974 is what Genuki says, but I think that's a typo for 1874.
Either way, it was known as Church Hulme at the time this will was written.
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http://www.bing.com/maps/?FORM=MMREDR#JnE9LmdpbGxtb3J0b24lMmJsZWljZXN0ZXIlN2Vzc3QuMCU3ZXBnLjEmYmI9NTYuNjUxOTQ2MDIyNjU0MiU3ZTkuNjM4NzE5Njc4NTAwMDIlN2U0OC44MTYyMDUyMzUxOTQ5JTdlLTEyLjU5NzYwODQ0NjU=
;)
dont know if this will work but it is a link (or should be!!) to Gillmorton area
I also think you should put a link to this post on the deciphering / restoration board.
xin
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Link works beautifully! but still doesn't tell us where Homes Chappell was. :-\
Grantley, Have you tried emailing Leics Record Office or local historical society?
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i have lived in Rugby and Leicester for a very long time, and cannot think of a similar name... but then my brain is now in stand by mode most of the time... ;D ;D
xin
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Luckily I have all the genealogical info from the Will.
Locating "Homes Chappell" may tell me a little more about the lives of my ancestors.
So far, I have only posted my request to this website, on the assumption that it would be an easy answer for those who know Leicestershire.
I do have other stuff to transcribe, that may reveal something.
If after that, if I have no luck, then I will widen my search. I will keep the Leics Record Office in mind, ta.
Regards
Grantley
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ok
sorry not to have been more help
xin
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You were xin,
You demonstrated that the answer may not be so easy for me.
Thankyou.
Regards
Grantley
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;) :)
xin
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According to my copy of Martin Bloxsom's book written in 1918, The History of Gilmorton, Elizabeth Woodcock was the wife of Randolph Woodcock, the vicar of Gilmorton.
In this book Bloxsom states that Randolph Woodcock was presented to the Rectory of Gilmorton by his brother John Woodcock a citizen and haberdasher of London on 26 March 1605. He also states that Randolph Woodcock was the youngest son of Thomas Woodcock of Holmes Chapel, Cheshire.
So there you go. It needs checking but there is your link.
Bryo.
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Wow thats interesting....
:)
xin
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That's a great find Bryo! :D
I think it was the casual mention of "Homes Chappell" in the will that made it appear that the place was in Leicestershire. It looks like the word "Cheshire" was simply omitted as though it went without saying that everyone knew where 'Homes Chappell" was. ;)
Grantley, is the information about Randolph being the son of Thomas correct?
;D
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The IGI has several Randolph Woodcocks christened in Gilmorton. One in 1616 is son of Randolphe and Elsabeth - is this your family? There is a submitted baptism for a Randolph with parents Thomas and Elizabeth in "about 1575" Gilmorton. :P
Also another submitted record for a birth "about 1584" for a Thomas Woodcock of Church Hulme, Cheshire. His spouse is noted as Elizabeth Bolford - marriage licence: 28 June 1609 Church Hulme. Specific date for the licence so may be worth chasing up.
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Thank you very much Bryo,
That is a great help.
Not only confirming the location, you have opened the doors to another generation of my ancestors. Yippee.
Wills are funny things. They go into so much detail on some matters & omit other stuff.
I have no reason to doubt that Randolph is the son of Thomas. Following this lead, Cheshire Archives list two wills of a Thomas WOODCOCK of Church Hulme – 1595 & 1636.
I haven’t yet matched up the birth death & marriage dates or checked the IGI. My first step was transcribing the Wills of Randolph WOODCOCK, his wife Elizabeth & their daughter Ellen SHUTTLEWOOD. The Wills of Randolph & Elizabeth name 12 surviving children.
Thankyou for everyone’s help.
Best Regards
Grantley
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More wills! :o Excellent!
Have fun and food luck.
;D
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Thank you very much Bryo,
My pleasure. :)