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I am descended from probably at least three Nicholas Wilsons from Baltinglass. The last Nicholas Wilson, my great grandfather, was born August 8, 1867 in Baltinglass and married Elizabeth Perry in Dublin in 1893.
His father was a Dairyman in Baltinglass, born 1818 and died 1881. His father, also Nicholas, was likely born in 1787 and died 1873.
Any connection with anybody?
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i dont descend from a nicholas wilson but i am just starting to investigate my family of wilsons who it appears come from baltinglass. i have anthony wilson marrying sarah thornton in 1831 in ossarry discese, leinster. they have
joseph 1834
sarah jane 1836
anne 1839
james 1841
anthony 1846
kerzia 1848
eliza 1850
isabella 1853
they end up in liverpool in 1861 jsut giving places of birth as wicklow
sarah jane wilson maries george barrett in baltinglass on 06 dec 1856 according to igi.
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How were you able to connect a marriage in the Diocese of Ossary with a family living in Baltinglass which is in the Diocese of Ferns ?
The Diocese of Ossary includes parts of counties Kilkenny, Laois and Offaly
Shane
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Shane, the references to birth in Wicklow for the definite family in question here, as well as the names involved, lead to the Baltinglass area. You can see what seems to provide at least good evidence in this BBC thread:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbhistory/NF2233810?thread=8253749
It would be great if you could add any leads. RCB library has no Baltinglass COI records even though rootsireland.ie has it in the dropdown list of parishes.
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I meant to say, the Ossory reference could be an error. It's just one if those individually-submitted non-verifiable IGI records which are often inaccurate.
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Unfortunately historic Church of Ireland records for the parish of Baltinglass do not survive.
Shane
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The wording for the place of marriage on that IGI record is a bit strange - usually people would mention a specific parish, the name of the church or the town, rather than something vague like the Diocese and Province.
Pity there's no name of contact details for the submitter to see if they have a valid source for this, or if it's just an estimate based on later documents.
Shane
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sarah jane 1836
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sarah jane wilson maries george barrett in baltinglass on 06 dec 1856 according to igi.
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luckily this marriage is included in civil records, so you can order a cert for it ... cert will show additional details such as place of marriage, places of residence for the bride and groom, father's names and occupations, names of witnesses etc..
Name: George Barrett
Registration district: Baltinglass
Event type: Marriage
Year: 1856
Volume:2 / Page : 416
Name : Sarah Wilson
[same registration references as George]
Note - based on the references the marriage took place somewhere in the district of Baltinglass, but it could have been in another parish in the district - e.g. Boystown, Donaghmore, Dunlavin etc
see :
Ordering Certs from GRO Roscommon (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433040.0.html)
Details included on a Marriage Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433042.0.html)
Shane
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Yes that's also on familysearch.org (see the BBC thread) and it confirma bride's father's name as Anthony. Very frustrating for the Wilson descendents that COI records are gone(presumably 1922 Four Courts fire?)
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Thank you vronlady and others for this. I am sure I have come across this Anthony Wilson at some point (probably through Slaters 1846). It is quite possible he is related to the Nicholas Wilson line. One Nicholas (I believe my gggrandfather) married a Louisa Hendy in Baltinglass in 1862, so they were in the same area around the same time.
Unfortunately I am away from most of my records for the next few weeks, but from what I have learned the Nicholas Wilsons seem to have been farmers in the area from Baltinglass to Hacketstown, although one record from Griffiths shows a Nicholas Wilson as a landlord. Some records can also be found in Carlow.
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Yes that's also on familysearch.org (see the BBC thread) and it confirma bride's father's name as Anthony. Very frustrating for the Wilson descendents that COI records are gone(presumably 1922 Four Courts fire?)
The reason I mentioned the marriage is because it may be the oldest civil cert you will find for the family, and it should show Sarah's father's occupation - which might show a possible connection to that Inn Keeper in Slater's.
Shane
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Oh yeah, of course. Sorry, forgot about that. That would be a good connection if it backed it up. Apparently he was a provisions dealer in Liverpool in the 1860s so not a million miles away occupation-wise.
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Shane, I also forgot to mention that there is no evidence that Anthony and Sarah got married in Baltinglass itself. Baltinglass is in Leighlin (rather than Ferns, though maybe dioceses have changed since then?) but it's not terribly far from eastern part of Ossory so maybe Sarah's home area was just into Ossory. Remember the possible marriage was 1831, well before Anthony is recorded in Baltinglass.
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thanks for all the discussion on the family. as stated the marriage is on igi as a submitted entry and that is one of the reasons i was trying to see if i could narrow it down to a more particular area.
the family mostly say just ireland as place of birth but occasionally mention wicklow- my only lead to a particular place is the marriage of daughter sarah jane wilson in baltinglass. incidently her children born in 1860's state dublin as place of birth and i have been able to find their baptisms there so they didnt stay in area long after marriage.
there has also been a new development over on bbc thread so need to look at that to see if that brings up anything new.
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I think the source of the marriage details submitted to the IGI may have originated from a LDS microfilm titled "Index to Marriage Licence Bonds of Ossory, Ferns & Leighlin (1691-1845)". There are quite a number of submitted marriage records listed in the IGI system just a Diocese mentioned - so it might explain the source.
Reference details given in Ryan's Irish Records as follows :
GO Ms 612-617; SLC Film 100169-72
I dont know what sort of details this film contains, but it might be worth checking out....
Shane
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can i assume if i gave that reference to a family history centre they could order film for me etc. i have never done that before.
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Sorry ... I've no idea.. probably best to check with them.
They do seem to have a catalogue of the records they hold on the website, but I'm not familiar with searching it.
Shane
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ok thanks will look into that.
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found a little more detail ...
Marriage Licenses
Records of marriage licences provide information concerning some Church of Ireland
marriages before 1845. Persons wishing to obtain a licence to marry without having
banns called were required to enter into a bond with the bishop of the diocese.
The licences and bonds do not survive, but the indexes to the bonds lodged
in each Diocesan Court and the Prerogative Court are available in the LDS or Irish
National Archives.
see : link (http://www.fortunecity.com/millennium/malt/309/wills.htm)
I suspect that this index may only show the basic details as entered into the IGI..
Shane
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right - o
i have never been to a family history centre before but i might have to try visiting one some time in the future to see what help they might be able to give. the nearest one is about hour and bit away so will need to get together as much info as poss first.
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here's a link to the catalogue entry for the microfilm on the FamilySearch website : link (http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=495699)
more details ... with the film numbers etc : link (http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titlefilmnotes&columns=*%2C180%2C0&titleno=495699&disp=)
Shane
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Just to mention, although it's of very little help for you, there are some later Baltinglass CofI records on rootsireland.ie. Births only from 1877 on so no real use. Marriages from 1848, so I can see they have Sara Wilson and George Barrett in 1856 but cant see whether they have any witness names without buying the record.
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I have noticed there are a number of Nicholas Wilsons in Wicklow listed in Griffiths Valuation as tenants and having Trinity College Dublin and the landlord. A number of these are in areas I believe my Nicholas (various generations) would be from. Would anybody know if there is any significance to Trinity College being the landlord? I understand it owned quite a bit of property and used the revenue to finance its operations but that is all I have found out thus far. Is it a source of any potential information?
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Hi you're maybe not in this site anymore but of you are, I'm looking for a nicolas wilson who was born in 1818 and died 1881 from baltinglass wicklow and his grave is in donaghmore church in wicklow any connection? Email (*) Moderator Comment: e-mail removed in accordance with RootsChat policy, to avoid spamming and other abuses. aswell as replying here for a fast resolution to your question, thanks mandy.
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Welcome to RootsChat :)
I am descended from probably at least three Nicholas Wilsons from Baltinglass. The last Nicholas Wilson, my great grandfather, was born August 8, 1867 in Baltinglass and married Elizabeth Perry in Dublin in 1893.
His father was a Dairyman in Baltinglass, born 1818 and died 1881. His father, also Nicholas, was likely born in 1787 and died 1873.
Nicholas Wilson - death 1881
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1881/06422/4844943.pdf
Eadstown townland
https://www.townlands.ie/wicklow/upper-talbotstown/donaghmore/tuckmill/eadstown-middle/
Nicholas Wilson - death 1873
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1873/020698/7262276.pdf
Ballyreask townland
https://www.townlands.ie/wicklow/upper-talbotstown/donaghmore/imael-south/ballyreask/
KG
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....I'm looking for a nicolas wilson who was born in 1818 and died 1881 from baltinglass wicklow.....
Nicholas Wilson married Elizabeth Hopkins on 8th June 1852 in Mullinacuff Parish Church.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1852/09439/5419460.pdf
https://www.townlands.ie/wicklow/shillelagh/mullinacuff/cronelea/stranakelly/
Wilsons in 1901 census
Residents of a house 1 in Eadestown North (Eadestown, Wicklow)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wicklow/Eadestown/Eadestown_North/1809374/
Elizabeth (Bessie) Wilson born 5th January 1866 at Eadstown. MMN Hopkins
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03586/2321807.pdf
KG
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From the 1901 census, in reply #25, naming William Wilson. He married Annie Strahan on 21st August 1902 in Timolin Parish Church. Annie's father was Francis Strahan, a farmer.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1902/10282/5742439.pdf
1911 census
Residents of a house 1 in Eadestown North (Eadestown, Wicklow)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Eadestown/Eadestown_North/889833/
Nine siblings born between 1903 and 1917.
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01q3e/
KG
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Sarah born in 1908, married Ernest William Barter on 24th July 1933.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1933/08984/5251622.pdf
Her father William Wilson was deceased, having died in 1931. His son Frank (Francis) Wilson was the informant.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1932/04885/4322737.pdf
KG
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Frances Annie Wilson (born 1906) married William Arthur Scales on 1st June 1936 in Donoughmore Parish Church. Her residence was Eadstown, Stratford-on-Slaney. One of the witnesses was her brother Frank (born 1911).
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1936/08919/5225797.pdf
Frank Wilson married Susan Elizabeth Hawkins on 3rd March 1943.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1943/08773/5171146.pdf
KG
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Death of Elizabeth Wilson, farmer's widow, at Eadestown in 1898. The informant was her son, John Wilson. #26
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1898/05840/4654224.pdf
KG