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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: buckyb on Thursday 05 May 11 07:17 BST (UK)
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Hi All
I am trying to find the children of George Henry Perry and Mary Perry (nee Heffernan),they were married in Launceston on 16 Jan 1843.
If anyone has access to Tas bdm any information would be most appreciated.
Thanks
Rod
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http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?detail=1&type=P&id=255762
Leanne
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Many Thanks Leanne, hoping there were more children, they went to Qld will search there.
Thanks Again
Rod
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https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/BirIndexQry.m
Does not appear to be any further births but there are 2 deaths registered.
Leanne
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Thanks Again Leanne
Looks doubtful but will follow up on Ann.
Best Wishes
Rod
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Who is Ann?
These are the deaths that I was referring to.
1878/C49
Henry George PERRY
George Henry PERRY
Mary HEFFERNAN
1895/B28232
Charles Henry PERRY
George Henry PERRY
Mary HEFFERN
Leanne
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Thanks Leanne
I did not look late enough, the two deaths I found were between 1843 and 1860. One had the wrong parents and the other Ann had no parent details.
The two you found look right I will try and find where they were born.
The daughter you found in Tasmania was Flora Perry. I had earlier tried to find details of her death to no avail.
However on a previous post I found a Flora Heffernan who died in Armidale NSW, her mothers maiden name was Heffernan, her maiden name was Perry and her married name was Tancho, so I am trying to find a link to Armidale.
She apparently "shot through" from her husband in Quirindi who didn't know where she went. As they were married in Armidale I thought if she died there there may be some family connection.
Once again many thanks for your interest and help.
Regards
Rod
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Hi Rod,
It is not unusual to find no record of baptism or birth for children during this period, and often the only way that you will find details of all children to a couple is from the parents' death cert or the birth cert of the youngest child. I would never have known the children of my gggrandparents had they not moved from Tas to Victoria and died there.
The possible son, Charles Henry PERRY, was aged 46 when he died in Queensland in 1895, so born around 1846.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/3614822?searchTerm=%22charles%20henry%20perry%22&searchLimits=l-decade=189
Births in Victoria:
1851
Ellen PERRY
George PERRY
Mary HEFFERNAN
Possible death in 1851 aged 3 months, no parents named
1853
Mary PERRY
George PERRY
Mary HEFFERNAN
Likely to have died before 1856
1856
Mary Victoria PERRY
George PERRY
Mary HEFFERN
Died 1856
1860
Mary Ann PERRY
George PERRY
Mary EFRON
A death registered in Queensland:
1933/C1119
Mary Ann KELLY
George Perry & Mary Ann
The 1860 birth cert ( or the 1856 if you are not confident that the 1860 birth is your couple) should give parents' marriage details to establish their identity and should also list all previous issue.
It can be downloaded at http://www.rootschat.com/links/0cqf/ (buy uncertified images online)
Perhaps Leanne can give you the reg numbers as I have only checked the indexes available on Ancestry and do not trust the accuracy of their reg numbers.
Debra :)
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Many Thanks Debra
You have both given me plenty to work on.
Best Wishes
Rod
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Hi Rod,
Re: your message 29 May11
Hope that this is of assistance. My Grandmother was Amelia Adelaide If I can help with anything else let me know would you like to exchange emails?
Henry Perry (deceased at birth) William George Perry 1843 1885 Mary Perry 1846 Charles Henry Perry 1846 1895 Daniel Perry 1848 1849 Bridget Perry 1849 Ellen Perry 1851 1851 Mary Perry 1853 1853 Mary Victoria Perry 1856 1856 Amelia Adelaide Perry 1859 1947 Mary Ann Perry 1860 1933 Mary Ann Perry 1860 1933.
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Hi folks
I've come (very) late to this discussion, but may be able to add something. In the process of research for a history of the Sole Brothers Circus, I am researching the Perry line, as the two families are seriously inter-linked in the circus story.
I too have been interested in Flora - I'm always ready to be side-tracked by a good story. I found her mentioned in the death notice of her brother William George Perry in 1918. She was referred to as "Mrs Brightwell". I went searching for her marriage, but didn't find it. Given her desertion of James Tancho, it's likely she never did formally marry. I then found her in two electoral rolls in the Kennedy division in Queensland in 1913 and 1922, living with a William Frederick Brightwell.
I have never been able to find her death under any likely combination of names, but will keep searching.
cheers, lbstable
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Hi there,
Thank you for this info I shall pass it on to my cousin who is our family historian. Not sure if he has this info. If he hasn't I know he will be very please to know.
Cheers Jude
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Hi folks
I found her mentioned in the death notice of her brother William George Perry in 1918. She was referred to as "Mrs Brightwell". I went searching for her marriage, but didn't find it. Given her desertion of James Tancho, it's likely she never did formally marry. I then found her in two electoral rolls in the Kennedy division in Queensland in 1913 and 1922, living with a William Frederick Brightwell.
I have never been able to find her death under any likely combination of names, but will keep searching.
cheers, lbstable
You will find on the previous thread that Rod has located her death in 1923 under one of her "AKAs" ;D
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=521938.msg3771685#msg3771685
For interest, I do see a Flora BRIGHTWELL in Cloncurry as early as 1905 and 1908 on the Electoral Roll for that region. William Frederick is not listed and she is performing domestic duties.
As you have said, the two are together in Cloncurry in 1913 and William is a miner.
They are still listed together in 1925, so it appears her name was not removed from the roll on her death. Not surprising I suppose with her using so many different names.
William died
1927 C2796 William Frederick BRIGHTWELL
Father--- BRIGHTWELL. Mother Mary Jolly **
Born Victoria aged 75 years
His birth
BRIGHTWELL William Frederic
Father William
Mother Mary
Birth Place THEL
Year 1851
Reg 9325
Denomination Presbyterian
Parish Buninyong & Portland
Fiche 190
Sue
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Hi Sue
Thanks for the pointer to the other thread - I had seen it, but the details at that time didn't make a lot of sense. They do now.
I obtained the Brightwell death certificate and note that the informant was a C.Walduck. So it looks like he was Flora's last partner - interesting lady!
And having researched the Sole line for many years, the name Clara Clifton Pepper has a very familiar ring - as the wife of the eldest Sole brother, James. I'll have to delve into that a bit more.
The reason I started looking at the Perry's was that they are so inter-linked with the Soles in the circus world, and I've been trying to make sense of the connections. Still some way to go, I suspect.
Cheers, Linda
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Hi Lynda,
I have not done much on my family history for a while now however Amelia was the grandmother of my own mother who still survives. Somewhere in my records I'm certain that I have the answer as to how the Perrys in Australia are linked to the soles. Are you still looking for it? It was my Grandmother Ruby's cousin who died in the explosion in Queensland.
Cheers Jude
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Sorry I should say that Amelia Perry was my great grandmother Mary Heffernan was my gg grandmother.
Cheers Jude
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Hi Jude
Thanks for the offer of help, but I think I have it sorted now - James Sole married Clara Clifton Pepper. Clara's mother was Flora/Bridget Perry (Tancho/Clifton/Brightwell). William Alfred Sole married Eliza(beth) Perry, Clara's first cousin. And of course, subsequently, Jean Lindsay (Eliza's granddaughter) married Joe Perry.
I'm guessing, though, that a couple more Perry's might pop up amongst the Soles along the way.
By the way, I'm descended from the Sole brother who was not part of the circus (Edward Goodman), though Ted Sole was initially involved as, like his brothers, he was a bandsman. Musical prowess has continued down the generations (though skipped me!!), but also academic success - Ted's youngest daughter, Ida Amy Margaret Sole, went to university in 1919 and left in the mid 1920s with a Masters degree in classical Greek!!
thanks again
Linda
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No problems Lynda. The Perrys are also connected to the Ashtons and the knee bone is connected to the ankle bone Cheers Jude
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How Jude
And connected to the thigh bone ... Love it, and so true.
Just one question - did you ever find out where Amelia was born? I've tried numerous States and name variations without success.
One thing I thought you and other readers of this post might be interested in - have you come across the Female Convicts in Van Diemen's Land database? It is relatively new and has a wealth of information about May Ann Heffernan and all her misdeeds.
The FCVDL also lists info on her children transcribed from official records and solves one little mystery. Henry Charles Perry was born on 31.10.1846. A transcriber notes that the mother's name was incorrectly entered as the child's name. I always thought there were too many Mary's in this family.
Also, I'm not convinced Daniel Perry belongs to them. There were at least 3 George Perry convicts in Tasmania at this time. On Bridget's birth entry in 1949 our George is listed as a musician. In Daniel's death entry, the father is listed as a sawyer, in the same year. So think he probably is not ours.
I obtained George Henry's death certificate, but it was not a great deal of help. The eldest son, William, supplied the details, but instead of providing the names of his father's parents, he provided his own!!!! He did get the age right, though. At this time,1878, he lists 4 children still living - himself (aged 35), Charles (33), Amelia (31) and Bridget (19) - plus 9 males who had died! So got his sisters ages mixed, and obviously didn't have a clue about all the babies who died, because we know at least some of them were female.
Anyway, thought the above may be of interest
Cheers, Linda
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Hi Lynda,
Will check my records this evening and get back to you. I know definitely that Amelia was born in 1859 which would have made her 19 not 31 in 1878
Jude
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Hello Lynda,
sorry I took so long to get back to you.
I found Alice Adelaide's birth certificate Cert. in 1879 that states GGran Amelia was 20yrs at the time and was born in Inglewood Victoria. Therefore she was born in 1859
I also have a photo of Eliza Perry sole if you are interested
Cheers Jude
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Hi Linda,
Eliza Perry Sole is second from the left
Cheers Jude
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Hi Linda
This is Amelia Perry/Watson