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I'm looking for any information on John Ward, born 1806, Dublin. His father was also named John Ward. John got transferred to Australia as a convict on ship "Lonach". He arrived in Tenterfield, New South Wales. After he's release he remained in Australia and married Jane McKenna on 29 Jul 1844 at St Mary's in Sydney, it was a Roman Catholic service.
John and Jane had 7 Children, John, Margaret, Julia Ann, Clara, Thomas, Catherine Mary and Jane. I have the birth dates of all children.
John died 07 Apr 1872, Tenterfield, New South Wales.
If anyone is connected to this family, has information, or can help me with tracing John's family, please let me know. Any help is greatly appreciated
Kind Regards,
Tammy
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To find details for a common surname like Ward, you will need more details - e.g. fathers occupation, mothers name, a parish or location...
Some Dublin City parish records, and a few for the county area are available online free at : http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/ Records for some other Dublin areas are availabale on the pay-website of the IFHF
Shane
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On the IFHF church records site there is only one John Ward in Dublin with a father John. Baptised in Skerries RC church 1810 http://www.irish-roots.ie/
Not all registers are transcribed, however, and there are errors and omissions. The record above can be purchased online for €5 if you feel it may be correct.
For the record in the same parish & also with father John there was
Catherine 1806
Joseph 1805/1809
Jane 1807
Margaret 1801
Roseanne 1802
These may all be one family.
Also a John Warde marriage 1796
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I'm looking for any information on a John Ward born somewhere in Dublin in 1806. All I know is that he's Father was also named John Ward and that his Mother died when he was a Teenager. He was also a Convict that was sent to Australia, sometime around 1825 (could have been earlier).
I know that Ireland did not register their Births, Deaths and Marriages until the mid 1800s, but I was wondering if there was any other way that I could possibly find information on his family, such as, he's mother's name and possibly Grandfathers (on his Fathers side)? I live in Australia so visiting the National Archives or Libraries in Ireland is not a possibility, it has to be online.
Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance
Tammy
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As well as religion, you need to know where in Dublin someone came from to start to research church records. 'Dublin' can refer to either the city or county and there are quite a number of parishes. Also be aware that not all records survive and many RC parish records only start in the early 1800s.
Some Dublin (both city and county) records are available free on the website : http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/ and other parts are available on the pay-website of the Irish Family History Foundation at www.irish-roots.ie, but finding a certain match may not be possible with so little detail on John.
Your best bet is probably to check Australian records (e.g. transportation, marriage, death etc) to see if any further details of place of birth or family are mentioned.
Shane
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Hi Tammy
There's an 1831 certificate of freedom for a John Ward, born Ireland 1807 (arrived Australia 1825 on the Lonach) on Ancestry.
Do you have this already? If not I'd be happy to send it to you. There's also a petition on his behalf from his father mentioning his mother's death and asking that John not be transported. It gives an address of 45 Cook St, Dublin.
All the best
Eddie
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There's a mention of the John Ward that Eddie found on the Transportation Database index on the National Archives website :
see : John Ward - 1825 (http://www.nationalarchives.ie/search/index.php?simpleSearchSbm=true&category=18&searchDescTxt=john+ward&simpleSearchSbm=Search#searchfocus)
Summary :
Name : John Ward
Age: 16
Imprisonment place: Hulk "Surprise", Cork
Document date: Jan/1825
Crime desc: Stealing a small gold pin
Sentence: Transportation 7 years
Petitioner: John Ward (Senior)
Relationship: Father
Document ref1: PPC 4127
Comment1: Petitioner is a labourer by trade and resides at 45 Cook Street, Dublin.
Comment field number: age 17.
The documents mentioned are usually available to view in the National Archives in Dublin (http://www.nationalarchives.ie).
Cook street is on the south of Dublin City between Merchants quay and High street.
Shane
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Cook street was in the the both the Civil (i.e. Church of Ireland) and RC parishes of St. Audeon - and many surviving records for both these parishes are included in the Irish Genealogy website mentioned earlier (assuming that's where John jnr was born).
I dont see any immediate promising matches for John's baptism, but there are quite a few Ward listings included. Note that some of the records may include the Christian names in Latin.
Shane
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Hi Tammy
My name is Fergus, I live in Dublin. I'm writing a history of the Eastwood family of Dublin, Louth and Armagh. One of my ancestors was transported to NSW in 1835. We might be able to be of mutual assistance to each other in that I could do a bit of research for you here in Dublin and you might be able to reciprocate for me in Aus. Would that be possible?
Fergus
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Hi Fergus
If Tammy doesn't take you up on your offer, I'd be happy to help - I'm researching ancestors from Dublin and I work in Sydney.
All the best
Eddie
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I have been looking for the parents of a John Ward born in 1806 in Dublin and it has been a near impossible task. I ordered his Birth Certificate and it said his Father was a John Ward, but did not list his Mother. I have managed to find a John Ward Baptised in 1810 in Skerries in Dublin and his Parents are listed as John Ward and Jane Monks.
I have no idea if this Baptism is him or not. I do know that his Mother died when he was, I believe, a Teen. This caused him problems and he stole a gold pin and was sent to Australia as a Convict. John's Father, John Senior, sent a letter to the Court Begging for Clemency and in that letter had his address listed as 45 Cook Street Dublin and listed himself as a Labourer. Because John was a Convict there is a possibility that the Birth date on his Death Certificate could be wrong.
I don't know if Jane Monks is the Mother of my John Ward, but I would like to find out. If anyone has any advice on how I can find out if it is her it would be greatly appreciated. I would also like to know how I can see or purchase Jane Monks' Marriage Certificate. I would also like to see her Death Certificate, but due to the fact that I have no dates for her Birth, Death or Marriage I know that it could be impossible to find.
Kind Regards,
Tammy
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Civil registration of births, deaths and Catholic marriages began in 1864 (from 1845 for non-Catholic marriages) so there will be no civil records to help you. To find church records (if they exist) you'd need to know where the family lived.
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I have been looking for the parents of a John Ward born in 1806 in Dublin and it has been a near impossible task. I ordered his Birth death? Certificate and it said his Father was a John Ward, but did not list his Mother. I have managed to find a John Ward Baptised in 1810 in Skerries in Dublin and his Parents are listed as John Ward and Jane Monks.
I have no idea if this Baptism is him or not.........
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John's Father, John Senior, sent a letter to the Court Begging for Clemency and in that letter had his address listed as 45 Cook Street Dublin and listed himself as a Labourer. ......
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The address mentioned for John snr of Cook Street is in Dublin city centre, which I dont think fits in with the location of Skerries. This is a rural area in north county Dublin and over 30km away from Dublin city centre.
Also Ward is quite a common surname, so you do need further clues to locate the correct family.
Shane
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I have been searching for a John Ward that was born in Dublin in 1809. His Fathers name was John Ward but I do not know his Mothers name. I do know that John became a convict and a letter written to the court by his Father states that his Mother had died some time ago. His transportation record was written in 1824 and lists his age as 16.
On the roots ireland website I have managed to find a Baptism record of a John Ward Baptism:03-Feb-1810, Dublin, Parish: Skerries, Father John Ward and Mother Jane Monks. Do you think this could be The John Ward I am looking for?
I have looked for a marriage between John Ward and Jane Monks, but have only been able to find one in 1896:
Husband: John Warde Wife: Jane Monks
Address: Skerries Address: Balrothery
Date of marriage: 01-Dec-1796
I don't know why they would have a child 13 years later, but maybe he was
one of the youngest children.
I can't find a death record for a Jane Ward between 1809 and 1825. The only one I can find is a Jane Ward, 1817, Co.Meath. There is a death record for a Jane Moncks, 1821, Co.Dublin. Were people usually referred to by their maiden name in a death certificate? The date and location do add up, but I don't know why it wouldn't say Jane Ward if it is her. Can anyone tell me what is on a death/burial record? does it have the spouse's name?
Do you think I'm on the right track?
Tammy
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Both the surname Ward and the firstname John is quite common, so you would usually need a bit more detail to confirm a connection - e.g. place of birth. Not all parishes have records back to the early 1800s, so there's no guarantee that a baptism record for your John Ward actually survives..
You didn't mention a family religion for your Wards.. but RC registers dont usually include death/burials
Death/burial records show married name for women.
Shane
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Forgot to add that in the Letter to the court John's Father stated that he lived at 45 Cook Street in the City of Dublin. I was wondering where that is in relation to the Parish of Skerries?
Tammy
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Cook street is in Dublin city.. Skerries is in the north of the county.
For city parish records see : www.irishgenealogy.ie (further RC records are due to be added later this year)
Shane
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previous threads -
How can I find a birth record in Ireland? (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,455942.msg3172241.html#msg3172241)
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Hello Tammy
I have recently found that John Ward born 1806 in Dublin Died 1872 in Tenterfield NSW is my ancestor. I have lots of information on his descendants.
Please feel free to ask at anytime.
Regards, Jennifer Ward