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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: Oletta on Wednesday 04 May 11 11:31 BST (UK)
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Can anyone tell me any information about the Murray family living in Falstone, Bellingham. I struggling to find marriages and deaths for the following: Thomas Murray born 20 June 1890, Canonbie. James Murray born 17 July 1896, Canonbie, Christina Murray 12 Feb 1898, Margaret Murray born 23 Jul 1893, Canonbie, Jeanie Evelyn Murray born 1907, Falstone, Northumberland. Their parents Benjamin and Agnes Murray (nee Irving) both died at Plasketts, Kielder. It looks like Benjamin and Agnes moved from Canonbie to Plasketts, Kielder, probably for work.
Would be grateful for any help
Regards
Oletta
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Plashetts colliery in Falstone parish was leased by its owner the Duke of Northumberland in 1890 to a company who extended its operations. Many of the additional miners were recruited from Canonbie where a colliery had recently closed. Miners were often mobile, living in accomodation provided by the mine owners and employed on year long agreements. The Murrays may have moved, though the Plashetts mine went on working until the 1920s.
Peter
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This information is very interesting and helps me understand why they moved. Thank you again
Regards
Oletta
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Oletta,
For photos of Plashetts see
http://communities.northumberland.gov.uk/Falstone_C4.htm
( the fifth photo was printed as a sort of postcard a few years ago)
For photo and A-Z of the colliery see
http://www.dmm.org.uk/colliery/p005.htm
Lots more on internet
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A possibility for Jeanie Evelyn born 1907? Does the exact dob match? I am not deterred by the Sussex location because following both World Wars my families dispersed over the UK (and further afield), but this may not have been the case for yours.
Name: Jeanie Evelyn Carey
Birth Date: 16 Apr 1907
Death Registration Month/Year: Jun 1988
Age at death (estimated): 81
Registration district: Eastbourne
Volume: 18
Page: 565
Jean E Murray & Edward T Carey
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1931
Registration district: Lewes
Volume Number: 2b
Page Number: 448
Matilda
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Hello Micheal Dixon and Matilda1
Thank you both for very kindly for all the information you sent me. The photographs certainly give you a idea of how they lived and worked, so that means that Kielder water is where Plasketts was? This is what i call history!. As Agnes Murray died in 1914 in Chapel Row, Plasketts and Benjamin died in 1927 in Shop Row and occupation was a coal mine (Hewer) and his death certificate is signed by his son James Murray. so am hoping James lived nearby? I did get a marriage certificate for a James Murray married to Elizabeth A Telfer , Jul-Aug-Sep 1917,Bellingham, Northumberland, but sadly the wrong one!
I do though have the marriage for James's sister Margaret Murray born 1892 to William Graham who was also a coalminer they married at Hexham Register Office.
As for Jeanie E Murray I don't have her birth certificate but it does look very promising.
Thank you all very much again
Regards
Oletta
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Hello Matilda
I sent for the marriage certificate for Jean Evelyn Murray and Edward Timothy Carey and it is the correct Jean E Murray connected to my family. Jean's occupation was as a mental nurse, living in Brighton County Borough mental hospital. Her father's occupation was now as a horse dealer (deceased). Was hoping that some of brothers and sister may have signed the marriage certifcate but no luck!
Thanks again for your help
Regards
Oletta
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Oletta,
When you wrote that you were " hoping that some of brothers or sister may have signed the marriage certificate... ", did you mean as witness/es to the marriage ?
Michael
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Hello Micheal
Yes, I was hoping that some her family would have been witnesses. As her brothers and sisters have very popular christian names was hoping i might have found at least one of them on the marriage certificate.
Regards
Oletta
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Can anyone please tell me when Plasketts was flooded was their a church and churchyard? And if there was what happened to the graves already there!
Regards
Oletta
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Keilder reservoir was flooded in 1970 but there was no church or chapel at Plashetts. The Anglican parish was Bellingham until Falstone church was re-established in 1824. The numerous Presbyterians worshipped at Falstone from much earlier under Scottish ministers.
Peter
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Hello Peter
Thank you kindly for the the information you sent me.
Regards
Oletta
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There was a Presbyterian chapel operating in Keilder.
Additionally this area was within the Wesleyian Methodist "circuit" operating out of Alston in Cumberland.
But burials were most likely to have been at Anglican Parish Church at Falstone, about 4 miles away.
Modern day photos and map can be seen on www.geograph.org.uk by entering NY6690
Ecclesiastically and administratively the community of Plashetts lay within the "township" of Plashetts & Tynehead, within the Parish of Falstone.
For Civil BMD registrations from 1837 Plashetts lay within the Bellingham Registration District ( then incorporated into 1936 into Northumberland West, based in Hexham.)
There was another community called Plashetts which lay within the "township" of Great Bavington, with the Parish of Kirkwhelpington.
For Geographia web site, ref = NY9681
In his book " Goodwife Hot, and others: Northumberland's Past in it's Place Names" Godfrey Watson writes.....
"Plessey Checks denotes a place where coal, coming from the nearby colliery, was checked, and is called after the family of " de Plessis", who, in turn, took their name from Plaissiet. The derivation of this French word is in itself worth looking at, for it also explains PLASHETTS, a name that appears at Bavington and again in Nooth Tynedale. It means land that has been enclosed by a Plashed or Plaited fence and therefore, probably, a Park "
*Plessey Checks and Plessey lay on the boundary of Stannington and Cramlington parishes.
* The Bavington Plassetts is the one in Kirkwhelpington parish. The North Tynedale Plassetts is the Falstone one.
Michael
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Hello Micheal
Thanks for great information, I had wondered how Plasketts had got it name! You seem to have a great knowledge of this area, which has helped me a great deal.
I asked the question about if there was a church in Plasketts because I was told there was only three streets in Plasketts and I thought one was called chapel Row another called shop Row and the other I do not know.
Thank you again
Regard
Oletta
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Oletta,
The 1901 census for Plashetts covers about 15 census pages ( From 4829-56-2).
The addresses for Plashetts include Pashetts Station, Brick Row ( where your Murrays were), Stone Row, Wood Row and the " Colliery"
The Northumberland Communities web site shows a photo of Stable Row, dated 1905. And there is also a photo of Wood Row dated 1905.
No sign of a Chapel Row.
So I can see evidence of four rows, but sometimes row names changed as years passed.
In fact the 1911 only shows 3 rows, Stone Row (5 households) Wood Row
(6 h/hs) and Stable Row ( 8 h/hs). No sign of Brick Row, perhaps it became Stable Row ? ) Again no sihn of a Chapel Row.
Michael ( who has a handy bookcase by his side)
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As far as concerns graves, the present Anglican church at Falstone built 1891 is on the same site as that built in 1824 and burnt down in 1890. The earlier Anglican chapel re-established in 1724 was very close by. The first Presbyterian chapel built 1709 was formed from the medaeval ruin but replaced by a new chapel in 1735. This would be the only alternative burial place to Bellingham on the upper N Tyne.
Peter
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Hello Michael and Peter
I cannot thank you both enough for all the information you have provided me with.
Regards
Oletta
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Can anyone tell me any information about the Murray family living in Falstone, Bellingham. I struggling to find marriages and deaths for the following: Thomas Murray born 20 June 1890, Canonbie. James Murray born 17 July 1896, Canonbie, Christina Murray 12 Feb 1898, Margaret Murray born 23 Jul 1893, Canonbie, Jeanie Evelyn Murray born 1907, Falstone, Northumberland. Their parents Benjamin and Agnes Murray (nee Irving) both died at Plasketts, Kielder. It looks like Benjamin and Agnes moved from Canonbie to Plasketts, Kielder, probably for work.
There is now a separate thread about Christina here http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,551281.msg4045296.html#msg4045296
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Hi Oletta,
I know it's really bad form to revive old threads like this so accept my apologies firstly.
However your quote here:-
"I do though have the marriage for James's sister Margaret Murray born 1892 to William Graham who was also a coalminer they married at Hexham Register Office."
may help me with my family tree. I am a descendant of Margaret and William and am struggling to find the name of Williams parents. Does it mention them on the marriage certificate?
I may be able to help with questions you have aswell.
Thanks,
Rob
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Hello Rob
Firstly, welcome to Rootschat it is a great site!!. Secondly, I have no problem with you opening old threads, it is just great being able to help.
On the marriage certificate for William Graham and Margaret Murray, it says that William was 32 when he married and his occupation was as a coal miner and living a Plashetts and his father was Alexander Graham and his occupation was as a coal miner too. But on the marriage certificate in 1919 it states that Alexander has died. As for William's mother I found somewhere that she is called Jane but not sure! Will let you know how I found this information about his Mother
Regards
Oletta
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Hello Rob
Have found William Graham's birth certificate. It reads William was born on the 29 October 1882 in Canonbie and his parents were Alexander Graham and Jane Simpson.
Best wishes
Oletta
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Oletta,
You are an absolute star. I thought I wouldn't be able to do this side of my family tree but your information has made it possible tonight.
How are you related to the Grahams?
I tried to PM you but it doesn't seem to work for me.
Thank you again
Rob