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I have a copy of a will that states that Elizabeth Makepeace (daughter of the Makepeace deceased) is married to Hurtnell. No christian name of spouse.
I think it is actually William Hartnell, Agricultural Labourer,aged 40, found in 1841 census living at More House, Wellington, Somerset.
I am looking for a marriage of Elizabeth Makepeace to William Hartnell. No luck so far. Presumably in Wellington. Could possibly be a second marriage for Elizabeth. Might also have been Elizabeth Potter.
Thanks for any help. Have looked in lots of places. Makepeace frequently misspelt. ???
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Having found and looked at the 1841 Census for this family in More House, Wellington it looks to me as though both William and Elizabeth were not born in Somerset. Where they were living was not far from the Devon border so it could be possible they were born and married in Devon maybe?
Have you found them in the 1851 Census?
Is the will for someone who lived in either Somerset or Devon?
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The will is for Susanna Makepeace of Wellington. Lists her children. I am trying to discover if there is any connection to the Potter family as there is an Elizabeth Makepeace who married John Potter in Exeter, St Mary, in 1824. I then found John Potter (?son) b. abt 1830 baptism in Exeter, St Mary's.
There is a John Potter of correct age staying with Susan Mackpeace (spelt incorrectly) and daughter Martha in 1841 in Wellington. There is also a Henry Potter b. abt 1827 staying with Susanna's son Edward Makepeace (baker) in East Reach, Taunton. My g-g-g grandfather John Potter and his brother Henry both became bakers, where as there father was not, according to their marriage certificates.
Henry's birthplace varies on census as Wellington or Exeter. I found a baptism as a "Devon stray" in Wellington, with a side note Exeter, St Mary's.
I also have just found a Marianne Makepeace who was baptised on the same day and parish and from same abode (Rack Lane) as John Potter in Exeter,St Mary's however, her father Henry is too old b. abt 1781 to be Susanna Makepeace's son.
Don't know if a death certificate for "Elizabeth Hartnell" would reveal any former name? It is so confusing to have links but nothing concrete. ??? :-\
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Sorry. I forgot to say that I cannot find Elizabeth Hartnell's family after 1841 census. Thanks.
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A death cert for Elizabeth Hartnell would not give any former names, however, a birth cert for one of her children would.
You could try Sarah the youngest listed on the 1841 Census b abt 1839 (all the others were born before registration started).
Can't find the family together in the 1851 Census. Could Elizabeth have died between the two Census? There is a William Hartnell, widower aged 48, servant, living in Clist St Lawrence, Devon. Also possible son Thomas Hartsell/Hartnell aged 18, lodger & William Hartsell/Hartnell aged 22, visitor in Uffculme, Devon with a family called Wills.
This might be red herrings though :-\
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hiya
don't know if this helps any?
can't see marriage in wellington but do see several baptisms for children of william hartnell and elizabeth-
william hartnell baptised 29th june 1828
john hartnell baptised 27th june 1830
thomas canniford hartnell bapt 9th dec 1832
elizabeth hartnell bapt 6th nov 1836
all children of william hartnell and wife elizabeth .fathers occupation is listed as husbandsman.all
baptised at wellington st johns c of e
regards
alli
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there are 3 possible deaths registered in the wellington district between 1841 - 1851 for elizabeth hartnell's
june qtr 1841 vol 10 page 323
june qtr 1842 vol 10 page 333 this district being wellington.s
and dec qtr 1849 vol 10 page 388 this district listed as wellington st
hope this helps?
regards
alli
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Thank you. Just doing a quick check of emails, but will check it out further. Might be a different Elizabeth, I think. There seem to be a few Hartnell's in Somerset. Appreciate your help :)
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I have since found an Elizabeth and George Hartnell. I am very hopeful that I have found the correct marriage of
Elizabeth Potter and George "Hartnall" in Edmonton, Essex, Mar qtr 1839 vol 3 p 60.
I have discovered that this Elizabeth is from Wellington, Somerset and George is from Pitminster, Somerset on Census in Essex 1841 - 1881. She died 1884 in Mucking, Orsett, Essex. I have the death certificate.
I hope the marriage will have her father's name as Thomas Makepeace. Would be second marriage for her. I am awaiting the arrival of the certificate for confirmation.
The census image either says Hartnell or Hartwell!
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Well done for persevering and looking in other counties for them. Hope the marriage certificate does confirm what you think. Would be interested to know the outcome!
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The marriage certificate for Elizabeth Potter and George Hartnell arrived today. Marriage solemnized at The Parish Church in the Parish of Tottenham in the County of Middlesex by Banns.
18th March 1839
George Hartnall Full Age Servant Residence: Tottenham
Groom's Father's Name: James Hartnall, Farmer
Elizabeth Potter Full Age Spinster Residence: Tottenham
Bride's Father's Name: Thomas Potter: Woolcomber
He signs
She makes her mark
Witnesses: George Filsell (?), Sarah Forster
Very frustrating. Wondering whether it is a clerical error as I was looking for her father being Thomas Makepeace who died 12 January 1839, Wellington, Occupation: Woolcomber. I know the spinster doesn't help either, however, could it be a bigamous marriage? Usually would still write widow though! Strange on the 1847 will that Susanna Makepeace gives her daughter as Elizabeth "wife of Hurtnell" with a blank space for husband's christian name. She gives her other daughter's husband's full names.
Update: I got another copy of Susanna Makepeace's will and it definitely looks like the spouse of her daughter Elizabeth is HARTNELL.
The witnesses to the above marriage are the Parish Clerk and the Sexton's wife.
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I have a connection between the potters and makepeaces but it is going back a few years to what you are looking for but they might be connected to who you are searching.
I have
William Norman born abt 1698 married to an Elizabeth Potter they had a daughter Mary born abt 1719 in Wellington somerset and she married Edward Makepeace
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Thank you for your interest. Do you have further information on the William Norman and Elizabeth Potter marriage - e.g. date, St John's, Wellington as parish? or witnesses?
That would be great if you do.
Re this later Elizabeth Makepeace b. abt 1800- 1803 who may have married John Potter and later this George Hartnell: I cannot find any information for the Thomas "Potter" woolcomber eg. Burial, Marriage in Wellington, Somerset, or elsewhere - so may therefore really be Thomas Makepeace. I am now assuming it is. Elizabeth signs her mark on the marriage register, so she is illiterate. This is also available on the London Marriage Banns on Ancestry.com.
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Unfortunately I can't give you any more info on the Normans or potters...I'm still looking
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I have a thomas Makepeace. b: abt 1777 ... ......married twice...... a Susanna and a Martha
is this your Thomas?
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Yes, that is my Thomas Makepeace (Woolcomber) d. 12 Jan 1839, Wellington, aged 76 years, who married Susanna Wood in Ottery St Mary, Devon in 1791.
Children per Susanna's will appear to be in birth order: Henry Makepeace (I think he went to Leicester), Martha Makepeace, Elizabeth the wife of ................... Hartnell, Jane the wife of Thomas Jones, Ann the wife of James Baker, Thomas Makepeace and Edward Makepeace. I have followed all the children through with marriage and census and death. Martha did not marry and was the only baptism I could find and she was quite old when baptised at seventeen.
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I was going to say, did you know some makepeaces went to Australia then looked at your profile and you are in Australia....LOL
Seems we are related...I'm in Leicestershire Eng....I am related to Henry
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I have
Henry Makepeace married Elizabeth Buller married 1763
their children
1.John who married Sarah Hurley
2.Sarah
3.Elizabeth who I think married a Phillip Parsons
4.Thomas who married twice....susanna and a martha
5.Ann who I think married Robert Lockyer
6.Mary who I think married Samuel Crose
7.James who married Anne Eveleigh
8.Nicholas
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Now I understand your interest! Which Makepeace came to Australia? Do you know where? Not sure about Thomas and another marriage - where have you found this? Hope you don't mind all my questions, but I haven't come across another marriage of Thomas, only Martha as a daughter??? Martha was the Executrix of the will which took over two decades to finalise! Maybe they couldn't find Elizabeth? No reason given for it with the paperwork I got. Despite trying twice.
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I have Henry Makepeace b. about 1793 Wellington, Somerset, d. 1868 Leicester m. Mary Bass, St Margaret, Leicester, England 30 May 1814. Marriage information per IGI database.
Occupation by Census:
1841 Woolcarder
1851 Woolcomber Journeyman
1861 Factory Porter
Children of Henry Makepeace and Mary Bass (per census): Elizabeth, William Henry, James, Thomas, Edward, Samuel and Philip.
I will look into your other Henry tomorrow. Working today. Are you on Ancestry?
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Hi again
I have quite a bit on the Makepeaces in Australia...I connected to a relative of theirs and they gave ne a lot of info and then I searched the net and found more.
I will dig out all my notes.
I have a website i'm doing and putting all my family info on there but I haven't got around to putting all the makepeace info on there yet.
3 children of the makepeaces went to Van demons land as free settlers...I have a picture of one of them....need to dig that out too.
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I've googled and found the information that you must be talking about re Mary Ann Makepeace, said to be the daughter of John Makepeace and Sarah Hurley from Wellington, Somerset. She emigrated to Hobart with a couple of siblings.
The only marriage I can find for a Thomas Makepeace to a Martha is in York in 1873 (per IGI). But he was born and married after the Thomas I am talking about died.
I have no baptismal information for Thomas- although naturally assume he is from Wellington, Somerset. It is then difficult to determine his exact parentage, although we are probably on the right track :). I have seen other trees on the Internet with children of Henry Makepeace and Elizabeth Buller, but in the absence of baptisms pre introduction of official BMD registration in 1837, I am not sure we can be certain ??? I assume it is based on the marriage dates of Makepeace's at Wellington.
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Yes they are the ones...I have quite a bit on those. I have a picture of Mary Anne.