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NLA Trove, Newspapers has the ticket of leave for a William Barton
GOVERNMENT GAZETTE. FRIDAY, JULY 19.
TICKETS OF LEAVE.
The undermentioned prisoners of the crown have obtained tickets
Paterson.
Barton William, John 4;
John I (4) 08 06 1832 NSW 07 02 1832 Downs 122 200 198 Sam J Lowe Jas Lawrence
But only ones i can find are
BARTON William Heroine 1833 37/1656 Ticket of Leave [4/4114; Reel 928] District: Maitland; Tried: Warwick assizes
BARTON William John 1837 44/1920 Ticket of Leave [4/4191; Reel 953] District: Paterson; Tried: Northampt ass
Not sure if any of these are that of my ancestor, his death certificate said he was born in England and arrived in Austalia about 1839, the informant did not name his parents, or where in England he was from
Any of you out there able to unravel this lot?
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From a muster 1837
William Barton was aged 26, convict, arrived 1833 ex Heroine and was assigned to R Howe in Sydney
so perhaps he was the one holding a ToL 37/1656 to permit him to move from/to Maitland and from/to Sydney.
What date is on that d.c. for your likely chap .... does it give you the burial details ... perhaps there's a headstone ... or there may be an index of old headstones ....
William Barton a convict arrived on the Barossa in 1839 and received a TL 44/809 in 1844 and then his Certificate of Freedom .... 20 Dec 1845 .... Could he be the chap on the d.c.
http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexsearch/keyname.aspx (Convict Index)
Cheers, JM
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Hi Col
A bit more information would help:
Date and place of death, place of burial
Age at death
Any mention of wife?
Children?
Who was the informant - sounds as though he did not know William all that well.
Anything else you have................................
Judith
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BARTON William John 1837 44/1920 Ticket of Leave [4/4191; Reel 953] District: Paterson; Tried: Northampt ass
16 July 1844
Prisoner Number 37/359
William BARTON
John (4)
Master: DIXON
1837
Tried Northampton Assizes (This seems to be a mistake and should be Nottingham)
10 March 1836
Sentence: Life
NSW Index of Conditional Pardons
BARTON William - John 1837 49/371 CP 1 Feb 1849 [4/4464] 790 441-442
18 Nov 1847
Convicts worthy of a conditional pardon
William BARTON, John (4), 1837, Life
Return of Pardons 1849
William BARTON, John (4), 1837, Life, tried Nottingham, 10 March 1836
List of Convicts embarked in the ship John (no number)
William BARTON, tried Nottingham Assizes, 10 March 1836, Life
Convict Muster 1837
William BARTON, aged 22, John (4), 1837, assigned to Mc Lailey/Mr Lailey/M Lailey at Patterson's River
I had a look at the records of a few other convicts on the same ship and they are all noted as John (4) 1837. I believe this is the voyage:
John II
Dep: 30 09 1836 Sheerness
Arr: 07 02 1837 NSW
260 embarked
255 arrived
Master: Adam DIXON
Surgeon: Chas INCHES
Newspaper reports don't seem to assign a number, it is just the John. The John I made 4 voyages, and this ship appears to be the John II, so this voyage should be John II (1) ;D
Unfortunately (for you) William was pardoned so there is no certificate of freedom which would give more info. You would need to see his convict indent to find a native place, but I don't see that it will help.
Debra :)
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Have you tried using the "check and verify" service offered by NSW transcription agents? You can have the "father's birthplace" field checked for each of the children born after 1856 for a reduced fee. Then you cross your fingers and hope that they don't all say "England" ;D
Debra :)
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There is a reference number for the CP of William BARTON of the John (II) 1837:
Name: BARTON William
Ship: John II
Date of Pardon: 18 Nov 1847
No. of Pardon: 1833
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18 Nov 1847
List of one hundred and eighty convicts transported from the United Kingdom who are recommended by His Excellency the Governor of New South Wales as worthy to receive the indulgence of Conditional Pardons, available anywhere save in the said United Kingdom.
On this page are:
1828 James ABRAM, Heroine
1829 Mary ARNOLD, Burrell (2)
1830 John ARTHUR, Lady Kennaway (2)
1831 Joshua BALL, Speke
1832 Jonathan BALLARD, Mermaid
1833 William BARTON, John (4)
etc....
These were recommendations only and these convicts' pardons were not approved until 1849. The wheels of government turned slowly and I have seen convicts who died before their pardons were approved.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0d1q/
It does look like the ship name John (4) has been identified as being incorrect as some modern day indexing shows the convicts onboard as arriving on the John II.
Debra :)
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Following up on part of reply #1
The William BARTON, ex Barossa in 1839 was tried 3 Dec 1838 at Lancester.
Have we eliminated that chap or is he still under consideration, as Kiwicol mentions the d.c. points to arrival about 1839 ..
Cheers, JM
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Re the 1839 BAROSSA
Online at http://www.slq.qld.gov.au/info/fh/convicts and from that index it notes
William Barton as one of 336 convicts transported on the Barrosa, departing 31 July 1839.
and that he was convicted at Lancaster Quarter Sessions for a term of 7 years.
The Barossa was despatched to NSW
The Index notes the Source as Australian Joint Copying Project. Microfilm Roll 91, Class and Piece Number HO11/12, Page Number 79 (41)
Sorry, I don't often get to capital cities, so I don't know when I would be visiting any of the State Libraries or the National Library to then look at that microfilm for you.
Cheers, JM
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I think Kiwicol's interest in William of the John stems from the Paterson's River connection, whereas the William on the Barossa was in Goulburn. His wife's death notice http://www.rootschat.com/links/0d1r/
Debra :)
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Agh thanks Debra
NSW Electoral Roll 1879 (oops sorry typo it should read 1870) for MORPETH
All surnamed BARTON
Henry, freeholder, Swan St Morpeth
William, freeholder, Albion Farm, Albion Estate
Thomas, resident, Albion Farm, Albion Estate
NSW Electoral Roll 1878 for MORPETH
All surnamed BARTON
Samuel, householder, at Albion Farm, Albion Estate
William, freeholder, at Albion Farm, Albion Estate
Joseph, residence, Patterson Road, Butterwick
Suggestion .... There should be information about the parents on NSW Birth Certs .... perhaps Samuel Barton was a son of William, and perhaps Samuel was born after civil registrations commenced in NSW. Perhaps a transcript of the following civil registration would give William's details
Ref 6840 of 1856
Samuel Barton, son of William and Anne, registered at Paterson.
Fingers crossed
Cheers, JM
Sorry for typo, was trying to show that Samuel was NOT listed in 1870, thus was not yet 21 !
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On the NSW BDM online INDEX
William Barton, aged 69 years, died Woodville, registered in 1879 at Morpeth ref 6963.
From newspapers
DEATH. December 28th,at his late residence, Albion Farm, Woodville,William Barton, aged 69 years
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/18944521
Saturday 31 January 1880 Maitland Mercury
If you are looking for info about Albion Farm, trove is also a treasure trove, interesting articles in the Maitland newspaper.
Cheers, JM
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From NSW BDM online
William Barton in 1855 married Ann Tucker (also shown as Taylor, but Debra at reply #9 gives the link to confirm it was Tucker). It was a Presbyterian service, in the Newcastle District.
The NSW BDM online index shows this as V1855, at line 532 of Vol 82. I would NOT anticipate that m.c. would have any detail about the parents of either William or Ann, as this index is before civil registrations commenced, and decades before the start of reconciling parish records of marriages with NSW BDM civil administration. The process has not ever been completed, many of the 19thC marriage records held by NSW BDM are still not showing details that were obtained by the clergy when conducting the marriage services. Of course, the clery’s own parish register should contain that vital family history information. It is finding which register it was, and where that register is currently archived that can be a confronting dilemma.
Fingers crossed that the civil registration for Samuel’s birth will have the clues!
Cheers, JM
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Just sent for the birth certs of children i didnt have, Thomas was my ancestor son of William, Samuel was the informant from memory, who did not name his father's parents on the death certificate.
Re this family Ann Tucker's first husband died about 1847, but William Barton and Ann had children from 1848, married in 1855, I have a note he died James Taylor died November 1847 re probate?
Trove had a beaut account of run in between Thomas Barton and Reuben Trantor, Reuben was brother to Thomas's wife's father, and also Reuben was married to Thomas's mother's sister.
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Please note that William Barton who married Anne Tucker whose parents owned Albion Farm arrived in Australia on board "Warrior" in 1933. Anything else you'd like to know about him or the Tuckers just ask
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would be amazed for the info you have re him arriving on the Warrior in 1833 and other information, have had illness in family and not had time to pursue things
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this document is one of many I have on William Barton on land he purchased and as can be seen on the bottom of page he came to Australia as a free man on board the "Warrior" in July 1833
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cool find i didnt realise our william had so much land, any for his properties in the hunter valley?
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Just for your information he came to Australia with his mother and step siblings after his father was murdered in England and he was left a substantial amount of money which is why they all came to make a new start. When I find a copy of the newspaper reports again I'll post them on this site. He bought about 10 properties most being in Sydney but a few in the Hunter Valley area
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hi
in this summary it is stated that John Taylor died 1847, where abouts did this information come from as I am a descendant of his??
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I believe the 1847 John Taylor death is not Ann Tucker's husband, I had notes to say he was sent to Tasmania "in chains" but there were a couple of John Taylors around Maitland and Newcastle.
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Hi all,
I have recently received a PM to see if I can advance the quest. I will try to go back over this thread and take a new look through my own offline resources. I feel sure that other RChatters may also have spare moments to help with the quest too.
JM
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Here is a quick start following up on the post by
this document is one of many I have on William Barton on land he purchased and as can be seen on the bottom of page he came to Australia as a free man on board the "Warrior" in July 1833
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/2213165 27 July 1833, Sydney Gazette
noting the passengers included the merchant, William Barton, and Mrs. Barton, and four children
JM
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John Taylor married Anne Tucker in 1839 in Sydney. They resided at Albion Farm and had five children; William, John, George, James and Frances. John Taylor was tried for armed robbery (refer William Munnings Arnold and Maitland Mercury) in March 1846 at the Maitland Circuit Court and was sentenced to 15 years (beyond the seas), this being Van Diemen's Land. There are three pages of records held in the Tasmanian Archives which verify this information. John absconded from his employer in 1848 and was never seen again. When transportation ceased to Van Diemen's Land in 1855, a muster was held for all remaining prisoners. John had never been found and was subsequently "struck off strength".
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So is this all correct Peter Joseph
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Just adding some links for John TAYLOR.
Conduct record
https://stors.tas.gov.au/CON37-1-3 (image 18)
Indent (2 pages)
https://stors.tas.gov.au/CON16-1-3 (images 244 and 245)
Bricklayer aged 34, five children, native place Sydney (this usually means place of birth), wife Anne at Patterson's River, brothers James, William and George at native place.
I notice a lot of trees on Ancestry that have his birth as 1827 in Cornwall. He married Ann TUCKER in 1839 so clearly math isn't one of their strengths. His trial and gaol records state that he was born in NSW and native to the colony.
Debra :)
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My mistake, staplehouse. Transportation to Van Diemen's Land actually ceased in 1853, not 1855.
Anne Tucker/Taylor married William Barton on 24 October 1855. Why did she wait so long after John Taylor's disappearance? The British Government decreed that if a spouse had been left behind in the UK for at least 7 years and they had not heard from their convicted partner, they could remarry without fear of being charged with bigamy. The minimum sentence coincidentally was 7 years. John absconded on 21 October 1848. Anne waited 7 years and 3 days. This would also suggest that the John Taylor who died at Maitland on 20 October 1847 (described as a publican) was not Anne's husband, otherwise she could have legally married from October 1847 onwards.
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Thank you for that , this may put all those that have the incorrect information on here to make it right
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Lance and I both have DNA matches to the siblings of William Barton from Rowland in Derbyshire. he was The notorious footpad Barton, a native of Rowland, Derbyshire, whose numerous depredations in different parts of the county have occasioned much alarm, and for whose apprehension a large reward has been offered by his Grace the Duke of Portland, in consequence of his stopping and robbing one of his Grace's servants at Worsop, a short time ago, has for a long time eluded the vigilance of the police and others ; he was taken in Nottingham last week, and passed through Chesterfield on Saturday night last on his way to this town, to answer for his delinquencies. - Sheffield Mercury
04 January 1836 - Morning Post - London, London, England
04 January 1836 - Globe - London, London, England
10 January 1836 - Bell's New Weekly Messenger - London, London, England
Nottingham Review and General Advertiser for the Midland Counties 15 January 1836
HO 17/42/78
Prisoner name: William Barton Junior.
Prisoner age: 22.
Prisoner occupation: Gardener.
Court and date of trial: Nottinghamshire Lent Assizes, March 1836.
Crime: Robbery - robbing John Sponge, groom to the Duke of Portland, of ten shillings.
Initial sentence: Death commuted to transportation for life.
Gaoler's report: Said to have committed several daring robberies - other charges against him.
Annotated (Outcome): Nil.
Petitioner(s): Sampson Hodgkin son and five other residents of the parish of Bakewell, Derbyshire, supported by character references from William Barton and five others.
Grounds for clemency (Petition Details): Good character; sober and industrious habits; never suspected of any malpractices and highly respected by his neighbours until he unfortunately incurred the displeasure of the Earl of Newburgh by catching a rabbit, for which offence he was banished from his home and his father discharged from harbouring him.
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C16221361