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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Tipperary => Topic started by: stevecleary on Sunday 01 May 11 19:42 BST (UK)
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Looking for advice on how to track down living relatives of ancestors who came from Clonmel in Tipperary. Is there a particular site which deals with Clonmel records?
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Thanks. I wouldn't want to fall foul, so where is the best place to find records of ancestors who came from Clonmel, I have some names already, but know nothing about them. Names are all CLEARY, all from Clonmel. Anywhere dealing with Clonmel records?
Best wishes
Steve Cleary
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It depends very much on the dates you have for your ancestors - if they lived after the start of full civil records then you should try the BMD Index (available on familysearch) and the 1901/1911 census returns. If they lived before this then you would need to check for church records. To do this you need to know the family religion and which parish they lived in, so you can check what records are available.
see : Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
Shane
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.....ancestors who came from Clonmel, I have some names already, but know nothing about them. Names are all CLEARY, all from Clonmel.
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what confirmed details do you have on your Cleary family ?
You would need to establish links to your ancestors family before trying to trace any family members forward in time - e.g. parents names, dates of birth or marriage, townland, parish etc
There are a number of different Cleary families listed in Clonmel on the 1901 census - see : link (http://census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_year=1901&surname=cleary&exact=&firstname=&county=Tipperary&townland=&ded=Clonmel&age=&sex=&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=&birthplace=&language=&deafdumb=&search=Search&sort=townlandSort&pageSize=100) (There could be others in nearby rural areas)
Shane
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Looking for advice on how to track down living relatives of ancestors who came from Clonmel in Tipperary. Is there a particular site which deals with Clonmel records?
Hello Shane,
I'm related to Clearys from Clonmel. I'll PM you.
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Hi there...
I would be very interested in Cleary's from Clonmel.
My Gt Gt Gt Grandmother was Bridget Cleary, and she married Alexander McMinn in 1846 in the Old Scot's Church in Clonmel. All her children were baptised in St Peter's & St Paul's.
Daisy Loo
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Update on search for Cleary's in Clonmel....
I came across a record of a marriage held at SS Peter and Paul for my great-great grandparents, Richard Cleary and Margaret Lloyd on 15 April 1863, which didn't give details on address, occupation, age or parent names. I'm chasing these up. A baptismal record for a Richard Cleary dated 18 October 1842 gives the parent’s names as John Cleary and Sarah Neville. I'm not certain that they were my Richard’s parents, only that they fit the date given. The other clue to me is that there is a story of the family owning a shop in O’Connell St, Clonmel – I am led to believe at one time, there was a store there owned by a John Cleary which fits the name given for Richard’s father. A long shot, I know.....
Steve Cleary
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Look on 'My Clonmel Scrapbook ' there are 2 Clearys mentioned as owning shops in O'Connell St. (formally Main Street )
No 29 - 1846 Mary Ann Cleary- Linen draper
No 64 1- 1910 John Cleary - Grocer
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Hello, I am new to this website and hope to trace back one of my Irish ancestors. My grandfather, William Francis Cleary came from Clonmel. I don't know when he emigrated from Ireland but he married my grandmother in Halifax, Nova Scotia in 1900. His date of birth is uncertain but in the marriage document he gave his age as 30 in 1900. In this same document, he gave his mother's and father's names as Mary and James respectively. In another document, his date of birth is listed as Sept. 22, 1865 so I'm not sure what to believe.
In his thread, Shanew147 shows a link to census records from 1901. When I go to the link, at the top of the page is shows 1901/1911 census. I see an entry for James and Mary Cleary but I need help in confirming that the data on James and Mary reflects their ages as of 1901. If it is in fact 1901 data, then James and Mary may be a relative. By the way, I don't know if my grandfather had any siblings.
Thanks for any help you may be able to give me in this matter.
Regards
Mike Cleary
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Hello Mike,
Can you post the link to the census entries your looking at?
Regards
Martin
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Bellevue, the link that Shanew147 gave on May 02, 2011 is as follows:
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_year=1901&surname=cleary&exact=&firstname=&county=Tipperary&townland=&ded=Clonmel&age=&sex=&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=&birthplace=&language=&deafdumb=&search=Search&sort=townlandSort&pageSize=100
The link works if you use copy and paste.
Regards
Mike
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That list of Cleary's is for 1901. You can use the search function at the end of that page to modify your search to include more details like first names, ages, townsland or switch to the 1911.
Which James and Mary are you most interested in? I presume the family living on King Street? I'm descended from the Ardgeeha Cleary's but I'm sure there's a connection somewhere along the lines. I have not made much progress on my g.g. grandfather's (Thomas Cleary) siblings. He married late in life and his children are living with their mother Mary in Ardgeeha in 1901.
Do you know William Cleary's father and where he lived?
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Martin, it may or may not be that the James and Mary Cleary on King St. are related to my grandfather (William Francis Cleary). There is nobody left on the Cleary side of my family who can fill in any of the blanks as far as my ancestors are concerned. I hope to find some concrete info on William's side of the family in the near future but the date of birth inconsistency is a real problem. If he was born in 1870 (as shown on the marriage document), James and Mary Cleary may be his parents but if he was born in 1865 obviously not.
Regards
Mike Cleary
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If you just had the 1901 census to reference one would say that it was highly unlikely that James & Mary were his parents BUT looking at the 1911 census, just maybe they were.
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Clonmel_East_Urban/King_Street/817311/
It says they are married 43 years (but this should be taken with a pinch of salt!), which would be 1868. You should also note that it says James was born in Kilkenny. They had 9 children and 2 are dead by 1911.
You can purchase 9 baptismal records for a father named James Cleary and mother named Mary between the years 1850 and 1890 in Clonmel for 20euro from rootsireland.ie
http://tipperarysouth.rootsireland.ie/quis.php?page=0&prevStartQuery=0
There is a William to a James Cleary and Mary in 1866 (included in the 9 records). Is this your William? is it too late? hmmmm. So many questions !
Or you could purchase 14 records for 30euro (covering all of Tipperary) just to be sure to be sure !
http://tipperarysouth.rootsireland.ie/quis.php?page=0&prevStartQuery=0
ps You need to register first.
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Martin, thanks for the links. I think I'll try to pin down my grandfathers full date of birth first. My uncle showed my grandfather's date of birth as Sept. 22, 1865 on the death certificate but I am not sure of the accuracy given the marriage document showed him as 30 years old in 1900. I really appreciate your help in pointing me in the right direction.
Regards
Mike Cleary
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Hello, I am new to this site and I'm not sure exactly how this all works but this is message for Mike99,
My Great Grandfather was William Francis Cleary from Clonmel, Ireland who married a woman name Catherine (Christie) in Halifax, N.S. on November 20, 1900. I also have attestation papers from 1918 that gives his date of birth as Dec 27, 1869. His parents names are James and Mary. I have more information if you think this is the same person.
Christina
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Chrissyz2005, thanks for your information and assistance. I have sent you a personal message on this forum with a request for additional details to determine if we are talking about the same person.
Regards
Mike Cleary
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Mike, I will send you a personal message shortly, I just figured out how to do it :-[
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This should do it
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Update on search for Cleary's in Clonmel....
My great-great grandparents, Richard Cleary and Margaret Lloyd were married at SS Peter and Paul on 15 April 1863. Another descendant has told me that Richard's father was a PETER Cleary, not John. I'm chasing up a baptismal record for Richard - I am told that Peter was born 1824, worked as a carpenter and died in 1882 in the Clonmel Workhouse. If anyone can give advice on where I can look online (I live in England), or has any information on Peter, or his family, I would love to hear from them.
Best wishes
Steve Cleary
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Looking for advice my great great grandfather Thomas Cleary was married to Mary Ann Flemming. Thomas's mother was Mary Brien. Would love to get more info on her. Any advice appreciated.
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A widower, Thomas Cleary, age 50 (m) a Mary Fleming in 1874. See link below:-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1874/11232/8118022.pdf
Regards
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Looking for advice my great great grandfather Thomas Cleary was married to Mary Ann Flemming. Thomas's mother was Mary Brien. Would love to get more info on her. Any advice appreciated.
Hi Marcella
I sent you a PM.
I can give you info.
Thomas and Mary are also my great great grandparents.