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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Leicestershire => Topic started by: sweitz3 on Sunday 01 May 11 00:20 BST (UK)
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Looking for any information on James Fox, born 04/30/1861 in Leciestershire. Son of "Fox & Hanna". This is all I have. He married Elizabeth Grant, 08/02/1886 in Leciesterchire. Family moved to Philadelphia. Fox's, Grant's, Weston's, Walker's, and Rodger's...... all in knitting profession. Dixon's too!
Can anyone help?
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Hi Sweitz3,
Is this the family in 1901 - James born Barrow on Soar?
1901
RG13/3005 75 9
Leicester Formerly St Mary, Leicestershire
95 Durham St
James Fox, head, 39, Frame Work Knitter, b. Barrow on Soar
Elizabeth, wife, 35, Shoe Machinist, b. Leicester
Hannah E, dau, 14, Hosiery Counter Girl, b. do.
Priscilla, dau, 12, b. do.
James, son, 10, b. do.
Thomas, son, 8, b. do.
Ethel M, dau, 4, b. do.
I have a feeling that this could be him in earlier censuses:
1871
RG10/3274 48 14
Leicester St Margaret
Russell Street
James Cox, head, 50, Frame Work Kniter, b. Thurmaston
Caroline, wife, 46, b. do.
George, son, 21, Frame Work Knitter, b. do.
James, son, 9, Winder Worsted, b. Barrow on Soar
Priscilla, dau, 15, Cigar Maker, b. Thurmaston
William, son, 4, scholar, b. Barrow on Soar
Elizabeth, dau, 6 mo, b. Thurmaston
Although the above family are Cox in 1871, 1861 shows them as Fox and mum is Ann, a variant of Hannah (and indeed she's Hannah in 1851):
1861
RG9/2279 32 23
Barrow upon Soar, Leicestershire
South Street
James Fox, head, 40, Stocking Frame Work Knitter, b. Thurmaston
Ann, wife, 38, b. do.
Elizabeth, dau, 17, Stocking Frame Work Knitter, b. do.
George, son, 12, Winder Worsted, b. do.
Ann, dau, 8, scholar, b. do.
Priscilla, dau, 5, scholar, b. do.
+ 2 lodgers named Samuel Harput? and Thomas White
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I'm having trouble spotting the family in 1881.
Priscilla is here, staying with her now married sister:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0d0g/
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Tati;
Yes! This is him. My notes from my Grandmother Gertrude Elizabeth Fox,[Born, 03/24/1902, Leicester], insist her Father was from Barrow on Soar. I do not know where that is, this is him. The Russel Street address is also noted by my Grandmother.
This is great! I hope to be able to follow the Fox's back some more. My Grandmother said that she, her Mother and others came to America on the "white star line...she did not like the trip...stormy!
I will check on Priscilla..I have some pic's pf her friends...
Thank you for this info. I am in your debt.
sewitz3
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My pleasure :)
It would be useful to get hold of the marriage certificate for James Cox Fox and Elizabeth Grant, to confirm that James' father was James.
In the mean time, here are James and Hannah in 1851:
1851
HO107/2087 678 36
South Thurmaston, Leicestershire
James Fox, head, 31, Frame Work Knitter, b. Thurmaston
Hannah, wife, 29, Frame Work Knitter, b. do.
Elizabeth, dau, 7, scholar, b. do.
George, son, 2, scholar, b. do.
2 doors away, we have a Fox family old enough to be James' parents - just posting in case they turn out to be related:
James Fox, head, 63, Frame Work Knitter, b. Thurmaston
Sarah, wife, 61, FWK, b. do.
Thomas, son, unm, 20, FWK, b. do.
George, son, unm, 17, FWK, b. do.
FreeBMD www.freebmd.org.uk finds a marriage in Barrow upon Soar district (covering Thurmaston) that would fit the age of James and Hannah's oldest daughter nicely:
Dec 1842 Barrow upon Soar 15 75
James Fox - Hannah Pole
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1841 seems to confirm that the family found above had a James of the right age
1841
HO107/592/11 13 23
Thurmaston South, Leicestershire
Watts Yard
James Fox, 50, Sock m
Sarah, 45
James, 20
William, 15
Thomas, 9
Charles, 15
George, 6
All born in county. Ages over 15 were rounded down to the nearest 15 in the 1841 census.
A possible Hannah Pole in Thurmaston:
1841
HO107/592/11 18 33
Thurmaston South
Thomas Pole, 45, Sock m
Maria, 55, bot born in county
Thomas, 20
Hannah, 15
Mary, 15
Elizabeth, 13
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This is Great! Please understand I am a little slow when it comes to family relations......one wonders why it falls to me to do genealogy, no? So, please excuse me if I embarrass myself.
Here goes. (1) so it sure seems that our "James Fox (2)" is located. His Father, also "James Fox(1)" seems to be next door...exactly where my Grandmother said. This also seems to confirm who our mysterious "George Fox" [17 in 1851] is, in that he is a younger brother of "James Fox (2)" and now we also have another brother listed as "Thomas." [20 in 1851].
We have some pictures of George Fox, who my Grandmother used to say was always at big meetings in the square....making speeches or preaching.....What was going on in the area at this time? I should have paid attention in History Class, oh well!
Here is my Grandmother, Gertrude Elizabeth Fox's Family List:
Father: James Fox, [April 30, 1861] James Fox & Hannah Pole
Mother: Elizabeth Grant, [October 24, 1866] Arthur Grant & Charlotte Weston
Children:
Hanna Elizabeth - B. 01/24/1887 Married Harry Cooper
Priscilla - B. 1/26/1998
James Fox, Jr. - B. 1/27/1891
Thomas Fox - B. 11/27/1892
Florrie Fox - B. 11/22/1894 Leicester - Florrie died January 10, 1896 Leicester
Ethel May - B. 5/23/1897
Edith Elsie - B. 6/18/1899
Gertrude - B. 3/24/1902
Q- What happened to William, [listed 1871 census]?
Q- How can we find Hannah Pole's Family
Q- We have a "Hanna Green" picture, Priscilla's friend?
Q- Would anybody want our present info on the status of the Families?
Q- It seems the Fox's, Grant's, Cooper's, Weston's all were in Philadelphia and involved in the knitting/hosiery mill trade. Is this of interest to anyone?
Q- Would anyone want pictures of these Family members?
Thank you so much Tati....... this is more progress that I have made in 6 years. I have info but not confirmation(s)....and now I can look for the Fox's.
We have a lot of info on the Charlotte Weston line if anyone is interested in what happened to Charlotte.
Please call on me if there's anything you need here. I am in Philadelphia, Pa. and can get most anywhere for research.
Sweitz3
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Thanks for the nice offer :)
To make sure that the families I found in 1841 belong to you, you might need a few certificates, such as James' birth cert to check his mother's maiden name :
James Fox - Jun 1861 - Barrow Upon Soar 7a 142
Then if the mother is shown as Hannah Pole, the James Fox/Hannah Pole marriage certificate would tell both James' and Hannah's father's names.
As far as William is concerned, this looks like him:
1891
RG12/2529 144 15
St Margaret, Leicestershire
120 Crafton? Street
William Fox, head, 25, Framework Knitter, b. Barrow on Soar
Harriett, wife, 25, Machinist, b. Leicester
Florence, dau, 3, b. do.
1901
RG13/2997 82 20
Leicester Formerly St Margaret, Leicestershire
23 Roslyn Street
William Fox, head, 35, Hosiery Hand (frame work), b. Leicester
Harriett, wife, 35, Shoe Machinist, b. do.
I can't see Florence elsewhere. She might be this girl:
Birth Florence Hannah Fox, Jun 1888, Leicester 7a 279
Death Florence Hannah Fox age 10, Mar 1889 Leicester 7a 132
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And here he is in 1881, staying it seems with his older brother George:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0d17/
Just wanted to add
and now we also have another brother listed as "Thomas." [20 in 1851]
Aren't Thomas-age-20-in-1851 and George-age-17-in-1851 the brothers of the James you call James Fox(1)?
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Tati;
Yes, of course I have to verify and will. Taking all of your suggestions and moving forward. I am trying to work out some details as to James. Its noted that he's not listed in the census under Hannah Pole, but is listed under Caroline, [1871, at 9yrs]. So.........would he be Hannah's or Caroline's??
Told you I was slow......maybe this explains the change of address and the fact that some of the children stayed and some listed in the 1861 census are not in the 1871 census. They were old enough to have moved on..... Well I should have asked my Grandmother 20 years ago. :(
I will just have to follow each of the maternal lines till someone who knows more than I do, [that should be easy], fills in the blanks. :P
Can I attach a photo to this post. It makes it so much more fun when you can see these individuals.
Thanks
sweitz3
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So.........would he be Hannah's or Caroline's??
His birth certificate would tell for sure but my money is on Hannah/Ann, as the census was taken on 7th April and you say he was born 3 weeks later.
I even wondered if 'Caroline' was a mistake because FreeBMD doesn't seem to show a James Fox / Caroline marriage at all, but there's this death registration:
Dec 1872 Leicester 7a 133
Hannah Fox age 50
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Tati;
Yes...they are brothers. I am now routing through all my Grandmother's notes.......she says something about this. I have to print out the Family Generation List so I don't confuse the "James's". Why didn't they put Sr., Jr. etc on these names??? Is it ok to do that in my genealogy program? Is that appropriate?
I am the "third" Leo and I can tell you its was crazy when all 3 of us were in the room at the same time! Trying to keep the "James's" straight 150 years later is not easy.
Did you see my Post on "P.C. Stephens" from Leicester. My Grandmother Gertrude Fox's, [the youngest Fox], notes say "Bobby Stevens" a policeman on duty in Leicester. England,s "heaviest constable" .....at 23 stone. She has saved his picture...he looks good in full uniform. Is there anybody in Leicester looking for him? I could scan this for them.
Also.....all the Fox's we are speaking about are over here and buried together. All but Florrie Fox,- B. 11/22/1894 in Leciester and died 01/10/1896. I think she is in the Welford Road cemetery.
Are there any Fox relations still in Leicester?
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Greeting’s …Folks.
Confirmation of Burial details for Florence Hannah Fox. :~
Welford Road Cemetery. Leicester.
Plot No;. U.S. 2897.
S 2897 C Fitchett Frank 1876 Nov 27 3
Curzon Street Saint Margaret 37325
S 2897 C Dixon Alfred 1891 Mar 31 56
Belgrave Gate Saint Margaret 67867
S 2897 C Dixon Hannah 1891 Jun 2 54
Belgrave Gate Saint Margaret 68381
S 2897 C Thompson Mary Ann 1898 Jan 25 34
Southampton Street Leicester 82578
S 2897 C Fox Florence Hannah 1899 Jan 18 Aged.10
Gartree Street Leicester 84720
S 2897 F Barker Selina Phipps 1945 Jan 12 68
Rest Home, 348 Aylestone Road / 108 East Park Road Leicester 128962
All but Barker were interned into a “ Common Plot.”
1872.
St: Michael’s & All Angels Parish Church. THURMASTON.
Parish Burial Register No’. 739.
Hannah Fox.
Abode. …Leicester.
30th. December.
Aged. ….50.
MIKE. ……
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Greeting’s …Folks.
Confirmation of Burial details for Florrrie Fox. :~
Welford Road Cemetery. Leicester.
Plot. No’. U.O. 1133.
O 1133 C Forman James 1856 Nov 11 68
Leicester Union House Saint Margaret 4421
O 1133 C White --- 1856 Nov 11 Stbn
Bath Lane Saint Nicholas 4425
O 1133 C Stirk Ernest 1880 Jan 3 2
Birstall Street Saint Margaret 43613
O 1133 C Stirk Elizabeth 1884 May 3 39
Birstall Street Saint Margaret 53004
O 1133 C Baker Ann 1893 Oct 18 40
Leicester Union House Saint George 73631
O 1133 C Fox Florrie 1896 Jan 13 13mths
Laxton Street Saint Mary 78165
MIKE. ……
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Blimey!
There's Florrie!
115 years later.
Thank You Mike!
sweitz3
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Tati & Mike;
Thank You.
What is a "common plot".
I see the Family's are the Dixon's....there should be some Weston's too!
The Fox's, Grant's, Dixon's, Weston's, and Cooper's did everything together.
I am not sure of the bonds but it seems to be related to the work!
Thank You Again,
Sweitz3
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Greeting’s …Folks.
Confirmation of Burial details for P C John William STEPHENS :~
Welford Road Cemetery. Leicester.
Plot. No’. C.O. 395.
O 395 F Barker Thomas 1895 Oct 21 61
Chatham Street Saint George 38027
O 395 F Stephens John William 1908 Apr 8 Aged.47
84 Cobden Street Leicester 51121
O 395 F Barker Sarah 1910 Feb 1 76
Cattle Market Cottages Leicester 52166
O 395 F Barker Sarah Elizabeth 1915 Nov 4 19
77 Warwick Street Leicester 55630
O 395 F Payne Martha Elizabeth 1936 Sep 30 81
2 Swain Street / 77 Warwick Street Leicester 66260
He was 24 Stone at Death…..
Try this link for details of Police Constable John William Stephens
Scroll right down for his full history :~
http://www.soldiersofthequeen.com/page12t-PCStephensMemorialPostCard.html
MIKE. ……
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Greeting’s …Folks.
Re :~ “ Common Plot “ Indicated by the……. C
This is were there was NO lease take out by Family to insure only Family members use the plot
Therefore the Cemetery could use it for any one
F....... Would mean ...." Freehold Plot "
This is were Family has take out a lease for any time between 5 ~ 100 years.
MIKE. ……
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Tati;
Here's a picture of Elizabeth Grant Fox my Great Grandmother, - and my Grandmother " Gertrude Elizabeth Fox," [ B. 3/24/1902] and Ethel May [B. 5/23/1897], we just called her "Aunt May". My Grandmother is on the right. I kept the Family list attached so everybody could meet some of the Fox's and figure out the order.
Grandmother, Gertrude Elizabeth Fox's Family List:
Father: James Fox, [April 30, 1861] James Fox & Hannah Pole
Mother: Elizabeth Grant, [October 24, 1866] Arthur Grant & Charlotte Weston
Children:
Hanna Elizabeth - B. 01/24/1887 Married Harry Cooper
Priscilla - B. 1/26/1998
James Fox, Jr. - B. 1/27/1891
Thomas Fox - B. 11/27/1892
Florrie Fox - B. 11/22/1894 Leicester - Florrie died January 10, 1896 Leicester
Ethel May - B. 5/23/1897
Edith Elsie - B. 6/18/1899
Sweitz3
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Tati & Mike;
Here's my Grandmother - "Gertrude Fox" & her sister "May Fox". My Grandmother is on the left....she's got glasses now!
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Also, I just posted "Edna Walker" for the "Walkers" & "Coopers" lists.
Edna is really young in the picture, but she takes a good picture!
My Grandmother says - "Edna Walker" - "Aunt Charlotte's Daughter."
So I am not sure but that's maybe my Gr-Grandmother's - Sister's - Daughter???
My Gr-Gr-Aunt??
Let me know if I got that right..........
Sweitz3
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Good morning both :)
Lovely to see the pics! I hope they ring a bell with someone.
Here are George's (James 1862's brother) details in case you're interested
George - link to 1881 census given earlier.
1891
RG12/2524 64 10
St Margaret, Leicestershire
36 East Street
George Fox, head, 40, Framework Knitter, b. Thurmaston
Mary A, wife, 39, b. Melton
Gertrude, dau, 9, scholar, b. Leicester
Lilly, dau, 4, scholar, b. do.
James, boarder, mar, 72, Framework Knitter, b. Thurmaston
George C Holland, boarder, s, 30, Bricklayer's Labourer, b. Derbyshire
1901
RG13/2997 76 8
Leicester Formerly St Margaret
16 Chandos Street
George Fox, head, mar, 51, Hosiery Trade (employer), b. Thurmaston
Gertrude, dau, 19, Tailoress, b. Leicester
Lily, dau, 14, Corset Warehouse, b. do.
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This looks like James 1862's sister Priscilla:
Marriage Jun 1887 Leicester 7a 369
Priscilla Fox to either Michael Duggan or George Henry Matthews
1891
RG12/2529 18 30
St Margaret, Leicestershire
22 Richard St
4 rooms occupied
George Matthews, head, 35, Shoe Laster
Priscilla, wife, 34
Priscilla, dau, 3
Harry, son, 2
All born Leicester (Thurmaston)
1901
RG13/3001 37 29
Leicester Formerly West Humberstone
80 Uppingham Rd
George H Matthews, head, 45, Foreman Shoe Trade, b. Leicester
Priscilla, wife, 44, b. Thurmaston
Harry, son, 12, b. Leicester
Priscilla, dau, 13, b. do.
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Good Morning!
Thank you for this new information. I will figure it out to day and be back to everyone in a few hours.
sweitz3
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