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Can anyone tell me if the 1851 census for Greenhead Parish, near Haltwhistle, has an entry for a Mr Pattison (not Patterson or Pattinson) First name possibly Edward or William, and possibly at a place called High Onsett.
Thanks
Clare
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Hi Clare
Do you have any further details - approx age, any other person in the household? I've had a quick look and can't find an Edward in Greenhead, although there are a couple living the other side of Haltwhistle in Thorngrafton. There are lots of Williams, so I haven't waded through them yet.
Regards
EeyoreBlue
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Hi EeyoreBlue
No, we're sorry but there is nothing else. You see, the name was in a report made in 1870's about a Roman Arm purse found in a quarry in that area in the 1830's and the name of the finder is all we have. We're doing some research on possible Roman stone quarries for an archaeological site in that area and the aforementioned object was found in a crack in the wall by this chap.
The research we're doing is nearing its end now, anyway.
Thank you very much for your time and sorry to disappoint with so little information on which to give you. Blame that Victorian reporter! :)
Best wishes
Clare
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I expect you've already got this - the 1841 census has a family called Pattinson living at High Onset (in the Township of Blenkinsopp) - here it is anyway.
HO 107 / 839 / Book 6 / folio 6 / page 4
High Onset
John Pattinson, 70, farmer, Y
Edward do, 50, ag lab, Y
Ann do, 44, ag lab, Y
Jennifer
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1851 census
The surname still has an 'n' in it, but they are living at High Onset
HO 107 / 2416 / Folio 240 / Page 27
High Onset, Blenkinsopp
Edward Pattinson, head, mar, 60, farmer 30 acres, Northunberland Haltwhistle
Ann Pattinson, wife, mar, 53, do wife, do do
John Pattinson, father in law, widr, 80, retired farmer, do do
John Pattinson, son, do, 31, railway labourer, do do
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Dear Jennifer
Many thanks for your info - sorry not to reply sooner but gardening got in the way :D
We have found a Thomas Pattison on FreeBMD and we've sent for his death cert to see who he was and what he died from in 1845.
This may have been the person we've been looking for.
It's interesting but on Google Earth it shows High Onsett, a desolate farm, to be well north of Hadrian's Wall and nothing to do with Blenkinsopp! Very confusing.
We'll add your findings to our file, so thank you once again
Regards
Clare
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It's interesting but on Google Earth it shows High Onsett, a desolate farm, to be well north of Hadrian's Wall and nothing to do with Blenkinsopp! Very confusing.
I'm afraid Google Earth is sadly mistaken!
The High Onsett in the 1841 and 1841 censuses I gave you was very close to Blenkinsopp and just east of Greenhead, and south of Hadrian's Wall. As I said in my first reply, it was in the Township of Blenkinsopp.
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Yes, I've noticed quite a few times it's way off where it should be, that's why its confusing and must be to people who don't know the area.
Look forward to getting the link
Clare
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Go to http://gis.durham.gov.uk/website/intermap/viewer.htm
Click on search and then on co ordinates.
A new page will open.
Enter the numbers 367399 and 564570 in the bottom two boxes and click on 'centre map'
A map will open which shows the present-day location of High Onsett. (Don't be confused - it isn't actually there any more!)
Use the drop-down menu at the bottom of the page to navigate to the 1856 - 1865 map, on which you will see High Onsett.
Use the + and - buttons at the bottom of the page to zoom in and out of the map.
Alternatively go to http://www.old-maps.co.uk/maps.html and enter the co-ordinates I gave you in the appropriate boxes on the home page.
This will again to take you to the location on a modern map - use the boxes on the right to naviagate to the older maps. The maps on this site are actually rather clearer.
Jennifer
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It's interesting but on Google Earth it shows High Onsett, a desolate farm, to be well north of Hadrian's Wall and nothing to do with Blenkinsopp!
As you'll see from the maps - the High Onsett in Blenkinsopp Township and near Greenhead no longer exists.
The one you found on Google Earth is a completely different one.
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Many thanks for the link - my husband has had a look at Old Maps to see if he could find it (your link only came up with a small map on Internet Explorer) and we can see where they were - Low and High Onsett - on Google Earth.
Clare
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Clare,
As well as the High and Low Onset pointed out by Jennifer, located in the "township" of Blenkinsopp, within the Parish of Haltwhistle, there was/is a High Onset north west of Haltwhistle, lying in Cumberland/Cumbria., in the region of Bewcastle.
( today- postcode CA6 6PQ- co-rdinates NY 5578)
In fact there were a few places called Onset(t) in Cumberland
In earlier years there was not a fuss made about spelling surnames
" correctly". Even Shakespeare used half a dozen variations of his surname !
Michael
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Dear Michael
Thank you for your comment about High Onset/t but if you read one of my earlier mails you will see that I have found that one but it was too far north - just shows that we are all thinking on the same lines. :D
The reason for High Onsett in the Blenkinsopp area being the right one is that the finder of the Roman Arm purse (found in a possible Roman quarry in the 1830's) was from the Greenhead area in Northumberland. The writer of the report of the find wrote it some 30 years later and probably got his name wrong too - we have Pattison and there are members of both Pattison and PattiNson in that area. Bit like 'Smith' seemingly..... never mind, get variations on my own name which is not the one used here!
Thanks for your help
Clare
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Clare,
I have just read an article from the 2 March 1867 edition of the Preston Guardian, headed " A Roman Purse".
It mentions a purse and it's contents, found at Barcombe in 1837
( unearthed by diggings for construction of the Newcastle><Carlisle railway line). And a similar one found 1820.
The article gives the reference of " Dr Bruce's ROMAN WALL "
Michael
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Dear Michael
Many thanks. We have all the primary source references by Bruce and others, though hadn't spotted that a bit of Bruce's writing had been copied in the Preston Guardian!
What we're looking for here is any genealogical information about some of the "players" in the story - Thomas, William and Edward Pattison. Knowing as much as possible about them and their relationships helps in understanding which parts of the story that's been handed down can be relied on and which parts might be suspect. A problem not uncommon in genealogy studies! :)
Regards
Clare
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We have info from the Death Certificate we sent for, on Thomas Pattison who died at High Onsett, parish of Blenkinsopp, on 14 June 1845, age 57. He was an agricultural labourer.
His age would make him the same generation as the older William and therefore he was probably the uncle of William, Elizabeth and Edward Pattison.
The report talks about 'his brother' and the elder William is who we suppose him to be.
Thank all of you for your help
Best wishes
Clare