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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Suffolk => Topic started by: fenifur on Saturday 30 April 11 12:12 BST (UK)
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Hello, I have, in my tree, an illegitimate woman, Elizabeth Poll. Her christening is registered on the IGI recoirds here: C131292 1813 0952987 Her mother is listed as "Issa Poll" and the christening is in Stradbroke, suffolk.
There are no birth records for an Issa Poll, but there is a Louisa Poll, getting married to a Thomas Aldous 6 years later on Christmas eve (aww) 1819, with her birth listed as 1798, in stradbroke, suffolk.
This is the only Louisa Poll, I have not yet found her christening/birth records however.
Am I right in think that Louisa and Issa are one and the same?
Or can anyone tell me another name Issa could be short for?
Thanks! Jenny
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Marissa? Clarissa? Isabel? Isadora? Not beyond the realms of possibility that it could derive from Elizabeth even. Difficult one!
Heather
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Have tried all these, and came up with a possible Lissey and one possible Isabel that's in Somerset rather than Suffolk but still a possibility! I'm just wondering because I have come across a few cousin marriages in my tree ( :o ) and Aldous pops up again a generation down... I'm still thinking it's her at the mo...
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Could ISSA just be a mis-transcription of Louisa, if badly written that would make sense.
I know from personal experience (and many others on here will concur) there is sometimes no logic behind the transcribed pages and what is actually written on the original, even when it is blatently clear what the original is!!
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If you live close enough to a Family History Center (the familysearch/IGI folks), you might consider ordering in the film that corresponds to the IGI record you found so you can see what the original image of the transcribed record says.
Regards
Polarbear
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Hi fenifur & others
I've just come across your post re Louisa Poll. I am descended from Louisa and Thomas Aldous and keep coming up against brick walls when trying to trace Louisa - I'd also be interested in finding out if Louisa or Issa or Elizabeth are related!
Regards
julesjame
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Hello Julesjame, are you on ancestry? We could compare trees! :)
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Hello Jenny
This might help you
The Suffolk Bpt Index lists Elizabeth POLL Bpt 11 Apr 1813 bb daughter of Issa POLL (servant), Stradbroke, which of course you already know.
It also lists
Miram POLL bpt 31 Jul 1814 bb daughter of Hannah POLL, Stradbroke.
The Suffolk Marriage Index lists:
Louisa POLL to Thomas Aldous of Wilby 24 Dec 1819, Stradbroke
& on the same day
Hannah POLL to John CALVER 24 Dec 1819, Stradbroke.
Could they have been sisters?
Keziah
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This looks like Louisa's burial from the Suffolk Burial Index:
Louisa ALDOUS of Brundish buried 19 Jun 1840 age 37 Brundish, St Lawrence
(I suppose age could be a bit out as she would have only been 10 or 11 when she gave birth to Elizabeth if she was indeed Issa)
Hannah CALVER buried 30 Oct 1875 age 86 Stradbroke.
The SBI also gives these POLL burials around the date of the girls births:
Phoebe POLL buried 22 Aug 1787 daug of John & Elizabeth (pauper), Stradbroke
Mary POLL buried 3 Aug 1793 daug of John & Elizabeth (pauper), Stradbroke
Jonathan POLL buried 10 May 1798 son of John & Elizabeth, Stradbroke
William POLL buried 28 Dec 1808 son of John & Elizabeth, Stradbroke
Elizabeth POLL buried 1 Jun 1831 age 84 Stradbroke
John POLL buried 2 Aug 1833 age 86.
Looks like John & Elizabeth may well be the parents of Louisa & Hannah as well so perhaps SKS will do you a look up in the Stradbroke PRs to confirm.
Keziah
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Me again
Could this be Elizabeth 1813 marriage:
Elizabeth POLL to John TAYLOR 13 Oct 1834 WILBY.
Wilby (parish of Thomas Aldous) & Brundish (burial place of Louisa) are neighbouring parishes. There are so few POLLs around at that time in that area it seems there are too many coincidences for them not to be linked.
K
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Hello! Yes that marriage for Elizabeth and John is what I have, and the line I descend from :)
That's interesting about the age regarding the death of Louisa, of course in those days some girls still married under 16, so it wouldn't be too unusual if it were only a few years out and she were 13 or 14, especially seeing as the child is illigitimate, and she was a servant.
Am I right in thinking, that, if Elizabeth, the one that marries John taylor, is Issa's daughter, and Issa is Louisa, that would mean that Issa/Louisa's parents are also called John and Elizabeth? Just to make it even more confusing :p
And Louisa then got married after the birth? There are Aldous's later in the family (a child of Elizabeth Poll and John taylor marries an Emma Aldous) and lots of cousins maryring each other in that family all the way through the line, so it does seem quite likely!
Thanks for your help :)
Jenny
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The burials in Stradbroke all seem to be linked to John & Elizabeth - either their children or them. There was only one other:
Arthur William POLL buried 3 Jul 1899 age 9.
Issa could be Louisa or possibly another child of John & Elizabeth.
There are no POLL burials in Stradbroke recorded on the SBI before Phoebe in 1787 so the family either came from elsewhere or the name has become corrupted. The only way forward would be a search of the actual PR's.
K
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If it is Issa, it's a diminutive of Elizabeth.
Sue :)
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Perhaps back then, as now, many diminutives are a result of a child being unable to say their name properly.
Childhood sayings and names tend to stay around in a family for a long time.
Think Meryl Streep, she was christened Mary Louise ;)
Pat ...
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Just thought I would add to this, I am also descended from Louisa Poll / Thomas Aldous. I checked the NBI that stated a Louisa Aldous was buried at St Lawrence aged 37 at Brundish (as is stated in this thread) in 1840, checked for a death record of Louisa Aldous that corresponded (1840 2nd qtr) checked the census in 1841 and found Thomas with children including a baby James aged 6 months and confirmed Louisa wasn't with them. Therefore I sent away for her death certificate to see if it might provide any clues to her past.
Today I received the certificate and just wanted to let anyone related know this record is definitely not for Louisa Aldous / Poll. There is another Louisa Aldous that died in the 2nd qtr in 1841 that I think is more likely now seeing Thomas remarried in 1848 (another certificate I need to order) and if the James Aldous born in 1840 was the one that came from the 4th qtr she would have been alive and well when the NBI states she was buried. So I expect the NBI has the year incorrectly recorded, I will probably order this 1841 record in the coming months and will advise if it relates to Louisa Poll.
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Hi gocarlton
I've also followed that NBI lead and certificate - straight to a dead end! Definitely not our Louisa (Poll) Aldous :(
Have just had contact from another descendant of Louisa & Thomas and will update forum if we find anything new.
Good hunting everyone!
Jules
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Hi Jules,
Good luck with it - eventually we will locate her! :)
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Today I received the 1841 death certificate for Louisa Aldous and can confirm it is for the wife of Thomas.