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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Monaghan => Topic started by: AprilAllen on Friday 29 April 11 19:30 BST (UK)
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Hey everyone, I recently started my family research. It's quite confusing and frustrating!
I'm trying to find Whytes in Clones. This is all the info I have for now. If anyone could steer me in the right direction I would greatly appreciate it. I am planning a trip to Ireland in Feb, I'm hoping to find some family there.
My great mother Elizabeth Whyte was born 8, July 1893 in clones
Her mothers name was Mary Whyte, I dont have a birth date for her, but she did live on Alnore Street in Clones.
Elizabeth Whyte married James Allen (whose parents were James Allen and Catherine Mckenna)
Had three child , (*) 1923 in clones
(*) 1922 in Blantyre, Scotland
(*) 1920 in Blantyre, Scotland.
Last permeant address was in Hamilton, Scotland
They sailed out of Glasgow 19, September 1930 on the ship Cameronia.
If this is not the proper place to ask this, please let me know, as I do not want to offend. Thank you!
(*) Moderator's Comment: recent details removed as these children might still be alive
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this looks like the best match for Elizabeth's birth on the BMD INdex :
Name: Elizabeth Whyte
Registration district: Clones
Event type: Birth
Registration quarter and year: Jul - Sep 1893
Volume : 3 / Page: 93
Do you have marriage details for Elizabeth ?
A cert should show her father's name and occupation and help confirm, or rule out, this particular birth
for notes on Irish Records, ordering certs see :
Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
Ordering Certs from GRO Roscommon (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433040.0.html)
Details included on a Birth Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433041.0.html)
Shane
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a possible match for Elizabeth and her family on the 1911 census :
Whyte household, Analore townland (http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Monaghan/Clones_Urban/Annalore/804161/) (Clones electoral district)
Shane
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Thank you for your reply! I do not have any marriage information on Elizabeth, however that is my next step!
I am currently waiting on a birth cert from the registry for William. I'll look into marriage certs and others. I didn't have the information I needed when I ordered the first time.
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there's a possible match for the marriage of James and Elizabeth in 1917 :
Name: James Allen
Registration district: Clones
Event type: Marriage
Quarter and year: Oct-Dec 1917
Volume : 3 / Page: 91
Name: Lizzie Whyte
[same references as James]
see : Details included on a Marriage Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433042.0.html)
Shane
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a possible match for Elizabeth and her family on the 1911 census :
Whyte household, Analore townland (http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Monaghan/Clones_Urban/Annalore/804161/) (Clones electoral district)
Shane
This is interesting! Thank you for the link. I will see what I can come up with. Can I access these records myself?
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and the same family on the 1901 census :
Whyte household, Cara St, Clones town (http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Monaghan/Clones_Urban/Cara_Street/1631194/)
Shane
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This is interesting! Thank you for the link. I will see what I can come up with. Can I access these records myself?
they are from the Census online on the National Archives website - click the underlined links in my replies to view the transcripts. You can also view the original census form.
The details on the census are in the Introduction topic
direct link to the census page : http://census.nationalarchives.ie/
Shane
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You are quick! Thanks for the help. I can't view most of the things in the national archives for the USA online. I actually have to go to the offices in NYC or DC. And the only census my grandparents would be in is from 1940 and those won't be able for viewing until 2012.
Again thank you for your help. I really hope I can find some family in Ireland, although they'd be distant, I still think it would be a wonderful thing.
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Hey everyone, I recently started my family research. It's quite confusing and frustrating!
I'm trying to find Whytes in Clones. This is all the info I have for now. If anyone could steer me in the right direction I would greatly appreciate it. I am planning a trip to Ireland in Feb, I'm hoping to find some family there.
My great mother Elizabeth Whyte was born 8, July 1893 in clones
Her mothers name was Mary Whyte, I dont have a birth date for her, but she did live on Alnore Street in Clones.
Elizabeth Whyte married James Allen (whose parents were James Allen and Catherine Mckenna)
Had three child , (*) 1923 in clones
(*) 1922 in Blantyre, Scotland
(*) 1920 in Blantyre, Scotland.
Last permeant address was in Hamilton, Scotland
They sailed out of Glasgow 19, September 1930 on the ship Cameronia.
If this is not the proper place to ask this, please let me know, as I do not want to offend. Thank you!
(*) Moderator's Comment: recent details removed as these children might still be alive
opps was I not supposed to put names? William is my grandfather, he is in fact dead. And so are the others.
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Hello AprilAllen, looks like Elizabeth Whyte born 8th July 1893 was my Grandfather's (William Henry) sister.
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Hello, thank you for your reply! I'm not sure what my original message was but Elizabeth is my great grandmother. Do you any information on them? I have photos of her and her father. Please give me any info you can as Im trying to research that part of the family now. Thank you much!
April
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Hello, this is very interesting because we did not know anything about the wider family. So your Great Grandmother would have been my Grand Aunt. It seems that the Whytes scattered far and wide away from Ireland very early on. Though William Henry (your Great Grand Uncle) lived in Clones until his death in 1945. Only one of Elizabeth's nephews (now deceased) lived all his life with his own family in Clones. I think I might be able to pick up a few threads for you.
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Elizabeth had lived in Scotland with her husband James Allen. She had two children in the glasgow area and then she had my grandfather in Clones in 1923.
She, along with her children immigrated to the states in 1930 out of Glasgow. Ship manifest has her mothers information as nearest relative.
Mary Whyte
Alnore Street
Clones, Ireland.
I believe they spelled the name of the street wrong.
Off the boat, they lived in Madison New Jersey.
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A side note. A lot of the Allens had lived in the glasgow area and worked in the mines there.
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Hi
Yes, you're correct about the misspelling of the street name. It should be Analore St. You'll find an old pic of it here.
http://www.emerald-isle-gifts.com/vintage-irish-town-prints/monaghan-vintage-photographs/analore---monaghan---street-scene.asp
Mary Whyte
Alnore Street
Clones, Ireland.
I believe they spelled the name of the street wrong.
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Hi
Yes, you're correct about the misspelling of the street name. It should be Analore St. You'll find an old pic of it here.
http://www.emerald-isle-gifts.com/vintage-irish-town-prints/monaghan-vintage-photographs/analore---monaghan---street-scene.asp
Mary Whyte
Alnore Street
Clones, Ireland.
I believe they spelled the name of the street wrong.
Oh this is lovely, thank you! I am looking forward to my visit to Clones In February !
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Clones in February? You'll find it very, very cold. And I hope you'll be driving as it's very hilly too. All the roads leading from The Diamond are steep hills going down. I grew up down Cara St myself. I have a map of Clones showing Analore St. If you'd like a copy PM me your email address and I'll send it to you.
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Yes Ireland in February, it's the only time I could go! I'm used to the cold during those months anyway! It gets very cold and snowy here. I do plan on driving..... driving on the "wrong" side of the road will be quite the adventure!
I would love to see it! Thank you much.
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Here is a link to a video on Clones - Past and Present.
http://youtu.be/wD6edonHB28
Hope you enjoy
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As a long lost native of Clones I just wanted to thank you so much for this. Really fantastic. Clones has been through some hard times and it's great to see it looking so good today and doing so well. Thanks again! :)
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Thank you for sharing, Enda!! I had just sent you a mail. Nicely done!
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Thank You all for your kind words on the video. We Clones folk, inhabitants, ex inhabitants and ancestors must stick together. As James in the Lennard Arms Hotel always says, "You're never alone when you're a Clone." ;D
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Hi
Here is a link for another video of rare cine film taken by my Dad, Mannix, in Clones in 1964/65.
http://www.anglocelt.ie/news/inthepaper/articles/2012/12/31/4013838-clones-in-the-rare-oul-timesbr/
This should interest anybody with any connection with Clones
Thanks again everyone for your compliments on my first Clones video :)
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As James in the Lennard Arms Hotel always says, "You're never alone when you're a Clone." ;D
Ah, if only this were true. I am the very last member of the Byrne family of Clones left in Australia. All the other members of the family went to the US and made their fortunes. I would have gone back to Clones many years ago but there were no members of the family left there.
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First off, I just wanted to say thanks again for another wonderful video clip. Loved the old views of Cara Street and got quite emotional watching it. However, when I read this post I think my eyes must have turned wide as saucers. It was a case of Blimey!!!!! :o You father was Mannix Whyte? My family knew him and I remember him too! We lived down Cara St and out the Cavan road a bit and we were always stopping into his shop to buy groceries. I must have walked and bicycled up and down Cara St hundreds of times and heaven knows how many times we stopped into your father's shop. If your father is still alive he would certainly remember my family, the Byrne family.
Talk about small world. This is incredible! :)
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Here is a link for another video of rare cine film taken by my Dad, Mannix, in Clones in 1964/65.
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Absolutely amazing! I can tell you that your family has been on many occasions fondly remembered by my Mam and Dad. My Dad sadly passed back in 2003. Your house was on the edge of Mullinamoy Lane and you are not going to believe this :D but when I was about the size of a milk bottle I can remember your Mum coming into the shop and telling my parents to bring me out to your house sometime. It might have been around the time your family was leaving but I can remember when I was brought out, your lovely Mum very kindly gave me a large spinning top from one of your family's toy boxes. This is a very strong memory for me because I remember her kindness and had a lot of fun with that Spinning Top. I hope you're not looking for it back now :( :D
It's a small small world isn't it :o
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Absolutely amazing! I can tell you that your family has been on many occasions fondly remembered by my Mam and Dad.
That's amazing! They must have remembered my grandparents, Cyril Byrne and his English wife Winifred who was a nurse in WW!. My grandfather was a senior Customs and Excise officer whose office was on the platform of Clones Station. When the station closed his office was moved a few metres down the road. My grandmother was well known in the town and was known as a very kind person. My mother always said that she never had a bad word to say about anyone. So your mum and dad would definitely have remembered my grandparents, my mum and me. My mother's name was Yvonne and I'm her daughter Stephanie. They may also have remembered my mother's younger siblings, Peter, Beryl and Bryan though they left Ireland long before we did. Sadly, the family scattered to the four winds.
My Dad sadly passed back in 2003.
Very sorry to hear that. He was a decent man and I'm very grateful to him for all that old film footage of Cara St - his efforts were definitely not in vain - and for all the stuff we used to buy in his shop. I particularly remember Clones Creamery butter and milk and the lovely, fresh Bolan's bread. Yummm... What has happened to the shop now?
Your house was on the edge of Mullinamoy Lane
That's very interesting that you should call it that. I have never heard it called by that name. We always referred to it as Mt Salem Lane and the house was on the corner of the lane and the Cavan road. I have a 1908 ordnance survey map of Clones and it lists an area of land further up the lane approximately at the top of the hill as 'Mount Salem' but does list an area called Mullinamoy next to Clonboy which is where we lived. Unfortunately, there is no name listed on the map for the lane.
and you are not going to believe this :D but when I was about the size of a milk bottle I can remember your Mum coming into the shop and telling my parents to bring me out to your house sometime. It might have been around the time your family was leaving but I can remember when I was brought out, your lovely Mum very kindly gave me a large spinning top from one of your family's toy boxes. This is a very strong memory for me because I remember her kindness and had a lot of fun with that Spinning Top. I hope you're not looking for it back now :( :D
Hehehe! I'm flabbergasted. I distinctly remember a large, colourful spinning top I had and it definitely wasn't brought to Australia. Glad you got it. I never knew what happened to 99% of my toys which were all left behind (same for my books). At least now I know what happened to one of them. :)
It's a small small world isn't it :o
Even smaller with the advent of the internet.
CG
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Do you remember the Clones Creamery , my father , Harry Bustard , was manager there from I think 1948 to 1953 . I remember the great taste of fresh milk and butter and the farmers bringing the milk churns in mainly by horse / donkey and cart . My father introduced a hatchery for chicks so that farmers wives would have an income from hens and eggs . Great memories of Clones with its massive , as it seemed , railway yards and station , I would love to see some photos from that time .