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Help please to trace Anna Pimblet b. c 1855 who married Herman Stevens
they had 3daughters Rosina, Ann (died young) and Clara Adelaide b. 1875
Herman also had a sister Clara, married to Godfried Nactical
Am having difficulty finding any info
thanks Niseone
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Can you be more specific about what it is you want us to trace?
Do you have a copy of the marriage cert showing who her father was? When did they marry?
Where was Anna born and when and where was Herman born
Have you checked the 1881 census for her?
When and where was Rosina born
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and Clara Adelaide b. 1875
Have you checked her birth reg on freebmd - Clara Adelina 1874
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Herman also had a sister Clara, married to Godfried Nactical
See freebmd marriage for Gottfried Nachtigal 1911 - no spouse called Clara Stevens. His marriage is transcribed on www.lancashirebmd.org.uk
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hi Carole
I thought I did have a birth cert for Clara Stevens - but after talking to an elderly relative yesterday it seems to be wrong. All I know from the relative is that Clara went into service at the age of 16yrs. I have her marriage cert she married Charles Spear in 1897, aged 22yrs. so have worked out possible birth date from that. Her mother was called Anna Pimblet and father Herman Stevens who she thought was german. They lived in Salford.
Anna died, Herman took the girls to Liverpool to live with their Aunt and uncle Godfried and Clara.. it gets complicated from there..
So to find out anythig about Anna and Herman would be great.
I have tried marriages and births but no luck - are you showing a birth for her as Clara Adelina 1874?
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On the marriage certificate of Clara Stevens to Charles Spear in 1897 her father is listed as JOSEPH Stevens not Herman.
The marriage of Joseph Steffens and Ann Pimblett was in 1868 at St. Peters, Everton
29th August, 1868
Joseph Steffens, 36,Widower, Labourer, 49 Roscommon Street, Father Henry Steffens Farmer
Ann Pimblett, 23, Spinster, 108 Opie Street, Father Peter Pimblett, Labourer.
Mo
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Mo - thank you - I know it says father is Joseph but when I tried to trace a birth then for Clara I could only find one for a Clara Stevens, father unknown, of Manchester. It was talking to a newly found descendant, a grand daughter of Clara, that I gained new information. The problem with the names sounding germanic, and changes made during 1st world war time, but I feel sure that you have found the right one...
thank you so much
I wonder where the name Streffens originates..
Is it possible for you to check the 1871 census for me or should I post it seperately?
gratefully Denise
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Oh dear I have just typed everything up and then pressed the wrong key and it all disappeared ::)
This is who I think it is in the 1871 census as the ages do tie up with the marriage and I can`t see any further suspects to fit the bill:
Lower Meadow Bank, Over, Cheshire
Joseph Stephens, Head, Mar, 38, Salt Maker, Germany
Ann, Wife, Mar, 25, Wigan Lancashire
Joseph, Son, 1, Over, Cheshire
I do suspect that Ann was born Glossop Derbyshire on the 1851 census aged 7 - Father Peter, mother Jane and they were living in Wigan.
Kind regards,
Mo
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ooo - thanks Mo, this is interesting, it was said that Clara was half German half French? I wonder of Joseph might have been Herman and change to an anglified name as he did surname later? the area is somewhat diferent to that of Salford given by relative tho..
thank you so much for adding another piece of a very difficult puzzle
regards Denise
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Hi,
It looks like "Son" Joseph aged 1 on the 1871 census was actually Josefina Rosina ::)
Baptism on the new family search:
Josefina Rosina Stephens baptised 19th June, 1870 at Whitegate, Cheshire - Parents Joseph Stephens and Anne Pimlet.
Baptism of Clara Adelina Stephens at Christ Church, Bradford, Lancashire on 14th February 1875 - Parents Joseph and Annie Stephens
Regards.
Mo
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Ahh - wondered where Rosina was. Guess the 1881 census would clarify it. I will try to confirm Clara's birth date as I seem to have 2 possibilities 1875/1876 ???
do you think they married after Rosina's birth?
Denise
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Hi,
Joseph and Ann married in 1868 (see reply #5 above). Rosina by the looks of it was registered as Josephine Steffens in the subdistrict of Winsford, Cheshire West in 1870 - see www.Cheshirebmd.org.uk .
If Clara was baptised in February, 1875 as Clara Adelina then I think the birth certificate you need would be the one that Carole found:
Clara Adelina Stevens September Quarter 1874 Manchester Volume 8d page 353.
Regards,
Mo
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There is a death of Hermann Steffens in Liverpool aged 55 in dec qtr 1901 ....this would make him born 1845 ...
Mo has Joseph TWICE on his marriage and also on the 1871 census ....born 1832/33 on both....so, maybe Hermann was a relation of Joseph ?....I don`t think Joseph was Hermann and changed his name ....
on www.geneanet.org there are 2,142 family trees for Steffens...the vast majority are from the Netherlands, though there are a few from Germany...looks to have originated in The Netherlands though
allan :)
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thank you Alan for your info. I know Joseph/ Herman died between 1884 - 1891. his daughter Clara Adeline was between 9 and 16yrs. Her grand daughter seems convinced his name was Herman, yet it does say Joseph on Clara's marriage cert and I am sure it is the correct one.
Perhaps I should try to find a marriage for her sister known as Rosina but it seems registered as Josephine as Mo has discovered.?? what would her fathers name be on her berth certificate and Clara's ?? there was also a sister Ann who died young..
I have not found them on the 1881 census yet... ::)
thanks guys for sticking at it for me..
Denise