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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Kent => Topic started by: marckellyinoz on Thursday 28 April 11 09:25 BST (UK)
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Could anyone suggest where I might find a record of a marriage (or even possibly do a lookup) between Edward Kelly (51st Regiment of Foot) and Ann Derrom on September 4th, 1838.
Edward was born near Dundalk, Lough, Ireland around 1802 and Ann was born in Queenstown, Lower Canada in 1814.
It is not in the GRO. He was Roman Catholic, so he would probably have been married in a RC church near his barracks in Chatham, Brompton. I don't think that there were too many RC churches in the area at that time.
Many thanks,
Marc Kelly
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I think the only one was St Michaels the Archangel now in Chatham but originally in Brompton. You can find it on Google. Try emailing them, it worked for me with RC church in Gillingham.
Linda
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Brompton had its own garrison church called st barnabas, there are some records on the medway city ark website, but not as far back as 1838.
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Thanks everyone for your help
Best wishes,
Marc
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Does anyone know if Saint Barnabas was built before 1838?
Thanks,
Marc Kelly
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Hi Marc :),
In case you aren't aware your chaps Army records are available. Cant see any ref to his Marriage but does say he transferred to the 51st to be with his brother. There are 6 pages.There is also a note that he planned to settle in Aukland NZ on discharge from the Army in VanDiemens Land 1846 and was given passage.
The National Archives reference:
British Army Service Records 1760-1913 WO97 / 648 / 105
First name(s): Edward
Last name: KELLY
Calculated year of birth: 1803
Parish of birth: Dundalk
Town of birth: Dundalk
County of birth: Louth
Age at attestation: 19 years
Attestation date: 31 May 1822
Attestation corps:
Attestation soldier number:
Discharge rank: Serjeant
Discharge corps: 51st Foot
Discharge soldier number: 934
Regards Rog :D ;D
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Dear Rog,
Thank you very much for your reply.
We have found the Army record which mentions the details that you mentioned. Unfortunately, we seem to be stuck there.
He had three children in Hobart Town 1839 to 1845 and then continued his family in Onehunga (Auckland) New Zealand until he died in 1860.
The items that we cannot find despite searching are:
1. Who was the brother that he went to join in the 51st Reg't (when Edward transferred out of the 10th Reg't)
2. A birth or baptism certificate
3. Whom his parents were and whether they might have been in the military
We were hoping to back-trace from the brother's records.
The marriage certificate is also proving to be very elusive. This may be because Catholic ceremony marriages were unlawful until 1837, so I don't know if it might be that they got married in an Anglican church near Chatham, Brompton Barracks. Derrom is a Huguenot name, so who knows, although her father and some brothers also ended up in Onehunga, New Zealand, where they mostly had Catholic ceremonies.
Edward and Ann seemed to avoid laying too much information within the Regimental records, probably for their own self-protection.
Do you think that it might be possible to widen the search to include Anglican church records nearby?
Again, thanks everyone for your help. I know how involved this can become.
Best wishes,
Marc Kelly
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Hello Marc
Where did the date for the marriage come from? When I first read your post I assumed it was from the army record. If it was in 1838 it should be in the GRO Index. I checked St Mary's, Chatham Marriage Index 1837-41, which would be the parish church at that time, but no luck. Also no sign in the Medway Marriage Index 1559-1837 which covered most churches in the area in that period. (And no record of any DERROM's either.)
Merv
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Dear all,
The date for the marriage came from the last will of his wife (certified), so I guess it is always possible that it is not correct, although she did travel with him on the Marquess of Hastings when he was on guard duty as a corporal and delivered their first born (by baptism certificate) on the day that the ship arrived in Hobart Town on 18 July 1839
Best wishes,
Marc
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http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/passengerlists/chelseab.htm
Looking at this pension list there is a thomas kelly in the 51st reg who settled in canada.
shane.
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The Thomas Kelly of 51st that settled in Canada was discharged from the Army in Oct 1818 . That was before Edward Enlisted so he couldnt have served at the same time.
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Thanks everyone for your help.
Does anyone know what Kellys were in the 51st Regiment when Edward transferred from the 10th to the 51st Reg't to join his elder brother on 1 October 1833? Maybe that would get me closer to figuring out who his parents were.
Best wishes,
Marc Kelly
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There is a Robert Kelly, born Donaghmore, Tyrone in 1898 who is in the 51st in 1833. He is pensioned out in 1837 due to ill health. The medical assessment is carried out in Chatham, so there could be a connection there. The record is available on findmypast if you want to pursue it further. Tyrone doesn't seem too far from Louth. There are a few more possibilities - Kelly is a pretty common name!
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Thanks for your help. If it is not too much trouble, could you list the other possibilities that you mentioned?
The other possibility I suppose is that he was in the 51st on October 1 1833 but transferred to another regiment before retiring.
Best wishes,
Marc Kelly
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You can search the catalogue of the National Archives using surname and WO for the series code (WO = war office ie army documents) to see what there may be there http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/search.asp
Some of these recordsa are available elsewhere pay per view or subscription as previously mentioned or else obtained from the National Archives in person or for a fee.
Casalguidi :)
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Hi
Have you checked the GRO army marriages (they come under the GRO overseas section whether they occurred overseas or not) for an army chaplain marriage (which would be Anglican)?
Regards
Valda
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Dear Valda,
Thanks for the suggestion.
I have looked, but did not find it. Then again, there aren't that many there, so they must have lost a lot.
Best wishes,
Marc Kelly
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Hi
They are unfortunately not all indexed
http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Chaplains_Returns
Regards
Valda