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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (North Riding) => Topic started by: rowlf on Wednesday 27 April 11 22:11 BST (UK)
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I am eager to trace the birth of Alexander Kirkbride who was married in Aysgarth in 1768 to Agnes
Hodgson. Agnes died in 1786 and Alexander remarried Mary Webster at Hardraw in 1792.
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I'm sorry but I can't help with the birth date of Alexader Kirkbride.
But there is something odd with regards to his marriage to Agnes Hodgson.
Alexander Kirkbright (thats how it is spelt on the PR) of Aysgarth married Agnes Hodgson of Dent at Aysgarth on Sept 12th 1768.
Witnessed by Richard Bell and Wiliam Sadler.
But there is no record in the local PR's of any children to this marriage in the 18 years they were married.
Did they move out of the area ?
But after the marriage of Alexand Kirkbride of Camshouse to Mary Webster of Askrigg at Hardraw on Oct 13th 1792, there are 6 baptism registered at Hardraw and Askrigg to this couple.
Alexander Kirkbride of Camshouse was buried at Askrigg July 16th 1808.
No age given.
His wife, Mary (Webster) of Askrigg was buried July 5th 1829 at Askrigg aged 59.
Alexanders first wife Agnes (Hodgson) of Camshouse was buried May 17th
No age is given.1786 at Askrigg
My link to this family is thru Alexander's second wife, Mary Webster bap at Inglbyeas April 25th 1771.
She was the 6th child of James Webster and Dorothy (Cloughton) who married Oct 20th 1745 at Askrigg.
The Cloughton's are in my line and go back to William Cloughton born c 1620.
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Hi Daniel, Thanks for your reply to my query regarding Alexander Kirkbride. He and his first wife Agnes did not move from the area but did not have any children. I had found his second marriage at Hardraw to Mary but was not aware it was his second until I visited the Visitors Centre in Hawes where there is a room with lots of records and information on family history. A lady helping there knew of the family and it was she who told me it was his second marriage. She then found me the marriage at Aysgarth to Agnes and Agnes' death and knew there were no children. I would be grateful for any information you have regarding Mary's parents, grandparent etc. I had found James Webster and Dorothy Claughton's marriage but have got no further with that line of enquirey.Alexander's son Bernard was my Paternal Granmother's G.Grandfather.
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If Bernard Kirkbride was your gg ? grandfather, then you must be related to half the people in Wensleydale !!
His marriage to Elizabeth (Betty) Metcalfe will give you many, many lines to follow.
If you reply to the email which I have sent you off site, then I will send you my file on the Cloughton Family.
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Alexander K who married (1)Agnes Hodgson 12 Sep 1768 (2)Mary Webster 13 Oct 1792 was born circa 1745. I believe he was the son of Bernard K & Elizabeth Milner. However I can find no record of his baptism nor a marriage for his parents.
I also believe that he had brothers James bap 1734 & Thomas circa 1736 (again no bap found) are the fore-runners of the Kirkbrights from the Pateley Bridge area.
I also have another possible brother named Edmund K born circa 1743 (birth year taken from burial record age at death) who I researched extensively due to a Kirkbride marriage to a CLAYTON. I have loads of stuff from more than 10 years research on this family.
There are many missing Kirkbride records for the period 1730-1750.
Roger Clayton
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Thank you for your information on Alexander. I was beginning to think I
would never know when he was born or who his parents were. You have provided
another piece of the puzzle. Thank you.
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Please be careful....nothing is proven!!!!
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Ok will be. May I ask where you found Alexanders birth and the name of his parents. Do you
know where they were from?
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I stress again that I have not found them. The information that I have given is based on the evidence that I have for ALL Kirkbrides in the area. Alexander K's birth and parents are unknown. Nothing has been found.
However if you research ALL the Kirkbrides then certain conclusions can be drawn into a theory. But that theory needs to be proven.
Certainly I believe that there were 2 Bernard Kirkbrides baptising children in the Askrigg area between 1728 and 1750....and thereby lies the problem. Most researchers see the marriage in Askrigg of Bernard Kirkbride 'of Rigg House' = Ann Metcalfe on 01 May 1728 and then 'lump ALL subsequent baptisms of children of Bernard K under one family. It frustrates me that people do not check for proof. Many Kirkbride Trees are incorrect.
But if you look closely at the Parish Register and the individual baptisms it becomes clear that there are 2 Bernard K's. And further there is a burial for an Elizabeth K 'wife of Bernard K' on 29 Oct 1748 at Askrigg. NOTE this is the same day that a Milner Kirkbride 'son of bernard K' was baptised !!!! Hence my suggestion of Elizabeth Milner as a possible wife of Bernard.
Now I am looking for a marriage circa 1730.....and the missing baptisms including your Alexander K.
Please do not think this is proof.....it is merely a suggestion that needs to be followed up.
To solve this mystery we need evidence. Please note in my original posting I wrote "However I can find no record of his baptism nor a marriage for his parents" so I am a little surprised that you now ask where I found the birth and names of the parents.....
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As for the marriage you seek c 1730 for a Bernard Kirkbride:
There is a marriage at Askrigg for a Bernard Kirkbridge of Riggs House on May 1st 1728 to Anne Metcalfe of Bainbridge.
Knowing the vagaries of spelling at this time, then might this fit ?
There is also a death of an Ann Kirkbride at Bainbridge Nov 29th 1787.
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Sorry for the last post.
I must learn to read ALL of the post before answering.
But I do agree with you that proof from original records must be found before making claims for parentage which may be erroneous (and oft copied).
Good luck with your search for Bernards parents.
I will ask on another site if anyone knows who they might be.