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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Wigtownshire => Topic started by: bridgewaterwolfie on Tuesday 26 April 11 13:13 BST (UK)
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farm servant of james simpson farm labourer of william mc creadie
john cloy william cloy
b:1826 b:1828
md md:
jean broadfoot jessie davidson
ch: ch:
robert-1843 john-1847(mother/elizabeth mcculloch)
john-1844 robert-1849
jean-1846 elizabeth-1851
elisabeth-1848 hannah anderson-1856
anthony-1859
james-1861
mary-1863
gavin-1865
peter anderson-1867
this is my line
were these above brothers?
and was the anderson name given
a friend or someone they knew or lived
with?
any info on both greatly appreciated
adrian
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Hi Adrian
Have you followed William Cloy to his death entry to establish his parents' names?
Monica :)
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no mon i havn't is there a site i can check on that
adrian
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John's marriage to Jean, and William's marriage to Jessie should give parent's names.
If you are not already aware of it, Scotland's People (pay site) is the place you need for Scottish b,m,d's.
Anderson middle name could have been a friend, relative or a family name - if not an obvious family connection you may never find out. ;)
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There is a submitted record on the IGI for a William Cloy or Niblock, 1828 Kirkmaiden, Wigtown - father William Cloy, mother Jane Niblock. This will need verificiation. No other children are showing for this couple in Wigtown.
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On Scotlands People I can see a match for a marriage in 1842 in Wigtown between John Cloy and a Broadfoot. I can't see a marriage for William Cloy but maybe someone else may be able to.
Did William marry twice? Firstly to Elizabeth McCulloch and then Jessie Davidson?
Also on SP I have found a death in 1889 for a William Cloy in Wigtown b 1828+/- 2 years. I wonder if he is your William?
You would have to register on SP and purchase some credits if you wish to view these records - the cost is minimal.
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On the 1841 census, there is a John Cloy and a William Cloy born around the right years, both living in Old Luce, but both are working and living with other families, so impossible to connect them. :-\
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Hi Adrian and Ruskie
Not sure if there may be two William Cloys running around both born at the same time in Wigtownshire :-\ There is an online tree I think, Ruskie, for the William Cloy/Niblock (whose birth shows as submitted on IGI) who looks to have married a Catherine McGinn in 1856. His parents are given as William and Jean (Niblock) on that IGI entry (likely birth illegitimate?). His years are 1828-1907, death in Dalry, Ayrshire.
This is their entry in 1861:
William Niblock 32, coal mine lab., b. Old Luce, Wigtownshire
Catherine Niblock 26
Mary Niblock 9
Jean Niblock 7
Bryce Niblock 3
Address: Main Road-n Side, St Quivox and Newton on Ayr, Ayrshire
Monica
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Similar birth place/year for your William. From 1861:
William Cloy 33, manager of farm, b. Old Luce
Jessie Cloy 30 b. Old Luce
Elizabeth Cloy 9
Alexander Cloy 6
Hannah Andr Cloy 4
Robert Cloy 3
Anthony Cloy 13 Months
Address: Gillespie Farm, Old Luce
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This is confusing!
That 1851 census entry that you have in your first post, I am wondering if this is the other William given who else shows in the household:
William Mccredie 83
John Mccredie 37
Helen Mccredie 33
Archibald Milmine 18
John Kennedy 11
William Cloy 22, agr. lab.
Catherine Mcginn 18 house servant
Address: South Milton, Old Luce
William Cloy is the William who married Catherine McGinn in 1856, with some children born before their marriage and whose 1861 census entry I posted first.
Monica
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Hi Monica - yes it is confusing. :-\
If Adrian definitely knows his William married and died in Australia, he might be safest purchasing either or both of those in the hope that they will give him William's parent's names.
I can't see a marriage for William to Jessie on SP - can you? And do you think the 1841 marriage for John looks right?
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This was the marriage that I saw on IGI for John Cloy:
John CLOY and Jane BROADFOOT Marriage on 4 August 1842 in Old Luce
The children that Adrian mentioned for John and Jane look to be staying with her parents in 1851.
William's marriage to Jessie, again from IGI, is I think this one:
William CLOY and Jess DAVIDSON Marriage on 22 December 1853 in Old Luce.
All entries from the OPRs, so information on the parish register likely to be minimal.
Monica :)
PS: Where does Australia come in? Did William Cloy die there?
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I found this old post http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/DAVIDSON/2008-09/1221496062 which gives William's parents as Robert Cloy and Elizabeth McGuffock. Source of info not incuded though.
Cloy is quite an unusual name, very little coming up on IGI for the name (also worth trying as McCloy/McLoy and other variants).
Monica
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PS: Where does Australia come in? Did William Cloy die there?
oops, I think I made it up! :-[
(Am getting mixed up with another poster's poser - his ancestor died in Australia) I blame lack of sleep - I'm not functioning too well this morning. Sorry about that. :-[
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I found this old post http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/DAVIDSON/2008-09/1221496062 which gives William's parents as Robert Cloy and Elizabeth McGuffock. Source of info not incuded though.
Cloy is quite an unusual name, very little coming up on IGI for the name (also worth trying as McCloy/McLoy and other variants).
Monica
I think that's Adrian's post too ...
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...I blame lack of sleep - I'm not functioning too well this morning. Sorry about that. :-[
You and me Ruskie ;D You are right, that is Adrian's post!
Monica
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The IGI has Robert Cloy, son of William Cloy and Jess Davidson born 1858 Old Luce. (extracted entry)
Adrian has his birth as 1849?
SP has 2 deaths in the statutory registers 1855-1905 all Scotland:
William Cloy Death 1862 Old Luce (unknown age)
William Cloy Death 1889 Stoneykirk (aged 63)
There is a Cloy stone in Whithorn Kirkyard (184). No idea if it's related, but being such a rare surname it could be.
Kirsty
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From earlier searches, I think William Cloy shows with wife Jessie in the censuses up to 1881 in Leswalt. The 1891 census has just Jessie, so likely death for William perhaps between those two censuses.
Monica
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hi mon
john cloy is my grandma's father on my mums side,which explains my
devotion to this research,the only regret i have is i havn't been able to
wrap this up into a family album to give to her as she has passed on in 2005.
so hopefully some time in the future i will be able to dedicate it to the memory of.
adrian
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Hi Adrian
What a great thing to be doing :)
Which of the John's mentioned was your grandmother's father? Or was he descended from one of the families being discussed here?
Monica