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Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: jungle beast on Monday 25 April 11 20:58 BST (UK)
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Hi i am very new to this. Can someone please tell me how i can access the records for Princes Rd., workhouse in Lambeth, for the years 1857 to 1861. Thx
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Hi,
This site is excellent and should give you your answer.
www.workhouses.org.uk
Sharon
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Thank you Sharon.
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Hi again. i have looked at the different sites for workhouses. When i click on Workhouse records I inexplicable get put onto ancestry.com and posts from public members with our same family names. Nothing to do with workhouses! can you enlighten me please.
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Hi,
This site is excellent and should give you your answer.
www.workhouses.org.uk
Sharon
The site works fine when I click on the above link.
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yup that's the site i have been into , but i am not having any joy. I need on line records as i do not live in the uk. I find this quite confusing as I am so new at this!
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If you go to the workhouse site, click on the following links-
Workhouse Locations > English Poor Law Unions > London: Surrey > Lambeth (St. Mary)
Scroll down the page (there's lots of maps, photos and information there) until you come to Records and you'll see details listed (these records won't be available online).
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Thanks. i found the sites, but i guess i actually have to go to the Lambeth archives to search for this information.
Are there any other avenues I could follow up on? I appreciate your help.
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Hi
Sorry for the late reply to your enquiry.
The 'surviving' records for Lambeth Board of Guardians have been deposited for safe keeping
Lambeth Archives, Minet Library, 52 Knatchbull Road, London SE5 9QY.
Princes Road workhouse:
Register of workhouse children (1826-33); Workhouse repairs (1826-35); workhouse record book (1816-20); workhouse accounts (1801-10, 1816-20).
Other Records: Rate books (1700-1900, with gaps); Churchwardens and Overseers papers re rates and rating (1832-1900); Leases of workhouse sites (1727-1858); Committee for the relief of the poor during inclement weather minutes (1814); Settlement examinations of women in the Lying-in Hospital 1805-1807; Plans of Lambeth Workhouse Infirmary and Norwood Schools (1853-1911); etc.
London Metropolitan Archives, 40 Northampton Road, London EC1R OHB.
Princes Road workhouse holdings include: Admissions and discharges (1773-1919); Creed registers (1850-1919); Births (1836-68); Baptisms (1803-60).
Renfrew Road workhouse holdings include: Admissions and discharges (1912-22); Creed registers (1873-1922); Births (1875-1916); etc.
Brook Drive Infirmary holdings include: Births (1883-1921); Baptisms (1889-1907); Pauper lists (1901-24); etc.
Norwood School holdings include: Register of children (1875-1904); Admissions and discharges (1847-1929); Creed register (1885-1936); Baptisms (1911-39); Deaths (1901-34); Register of adopted (1901-30); Register of children emigrating (1900-30).
Other holdings include: Guardians' minute books (1836-1930); Financial records (1861-1930); Staff records (1851-1930); etc.
Some of the records held at the London Metropolitan Archives (LMA) have been digitised and put on line as suggested above. However what is online is far from complete.
The LMA has a 'paid for' research service, details here
http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/Corporation/LGNL_Services/Leisure_and_culture/Records_and_archives/Family_Research/Family+History+Research+Service.htm
Contact details for Lambeth here but there's no mention of a research service.
http://www.lambeth.gov.uk/Services/LeisureCulture/LocalHistory/
Researchers in and around London are few and far between, and this type of research is not always easy to carry out.
Who and what are you looking for?
Dawn
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Sorry for not replying to you sooner too. I have been the UK chasing another branch of the family with more success!
I am now back to Edward Luetchford and Jane Coppin.
As regards to Edward Luetchford I will have to search the Lambeth records on my next visit. Thanks for all the information.
I am not quite sure how I use the Surrey records which you transferred for me. Do I make a posting stating the inability to find Joseph Coppin and family on the 1861 census? There are many many Coppins in and around Croydon. i guess I need to eliminate those who I think are not related. As you can tell I am somewhat at sea with this ??? Can't even figure out how to put a smiley face in the text!
jungle beast
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You can access poor law records through ancestry.co.uk (that is how the LMA have put them online). I have searched the records in that way. You can just take out membership for one month (about £12 I think) which is much cheaper than using a research service!
Some workhouse records are quite long to plough through so you have to find the year, then the name (they're usually alphabetical), and then just plough through the pages. I've managed to find a few things on them.
The Princess Street Religious Creed records are there fore 1857, 1858 and 1860. These should have the names of your ancestors if they were admitted during those years.
Hope that helps!
Louise
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thank you Louise,
We are already members of Ancestry.co.uk and I found the workhouse site but could only find links etc. Obviously I am doing something wrong. My computer skills are pretty basic too, I am always afraid I'll delete something and lose it forever!
:-[
JB
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Try this link
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=1557
Not sure if that will work how I've put it in - if not, just copy and paste it into your browser.
To the right of your page it should say 'browse this collection' with Lambeth underneath. You then have to select from the drop down menu. You may have to re-select Lambeth for it to work - so select somewhere else and then select Lambeth again. It will then bring up another drop down menu below. You should select 'religious creed' as this will give you lists of names.
Hope that helps!
Louise
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Hi Louise,
Thanks so much for the web site.
I hit the jackpot and found
Edward's mother Mary Ann Luetchford age 22 in the workhouse. 9th November 1858. "Pregn to be examn. remains"
Do you know if there is a way to find out what the category numbers mean; also who are the people referring the inmates?
thx again.
JB
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Hi there
I'm afraid I don't know what the category numbers mean - I haven't encountered them in my searches (or just not noticed!)
Usually people referred themselved to the workhouse. Being in the workhouse was considered to be an absolute last resort. I could be wrong, but I don't believe anyone else could refer a person to the workhouse. People were supposed to be there of their own free will and from what I understand, the workhouse could apply to family to cover the expense of inmates - certainly in the case of medical care. So I think if any family members were trying to wash their hands of their relatives, they wouldn't let it be known that they were associated with or hand any responsibility for inmates.
Saying that, when my g g grandparents and their children were in Edmonton workhouse, g g grandfather's brother and address was listed as next of kin. From what I had seen in the records, that seemed to be quite unusual.
In the case of workhouse infirmaries, these were often the only 'hospitals' that poor people could go to, so this was a bit different to being in the workhouse itself. In that case, someone might well be taken to the infirmary by their family or gone there themselves.
Hope that helps!
Louise
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good morning Louise
Thank you for the information. there are 3 columns after names, age, class and ward; It was the middle number that intrigued me, obviously some kind of code for circumstances. Given that Mary Ann was giving birth to a child out of wedlock, I can only suspect that she was in the workhouse infirmary, to give birth to Edward. It is very sad when one sees the terrible circumstances some people are in, whole families are are relegated to a life of poverty. Fortunately from what we are finding Mary Ann married in 1861and had three more children. She was our g.g. grandmother . Edward was brought up by his grandparents!
Happy researching, my sister and I are fascinated with this whole process.
Rosemary (JB)
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Hi Rosemary,
If Edward was raised by his grandparents then that is a positive thing because his mother wasn't turned out completely, and he wasn't abandoned which might often be the case.
Yes, it is fascinating indeed - and there are so many surprises! Good luck with your research :)
Louise
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Hi Louise,
Yes I agree about not being completely abandoned. Interestingly enough we discovered Edward as Edward Bates, nephew at his grandparents on the 1861 census, so i imagine this was to cover the shame! Edward ended up in Ashton under Lyne. An Edward Bates named as father on the birth record, seems to be from Ashton under Lyne, but we have not corroborated this yet. As you say lots of surprises.
Good luck with your research.
Rosemary :)
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Hi Rosemary,
I see you've not posted for a few years so this is probably a long shot but I'm interested in what you know about Mary Ann Luetchford. Edward, the son she had in the workhouse is my great grandfather. My Granddad was Thomas Edward Luetchford, Edwards first son to his second wife, Nelly Devine. It's great (and how strange it feels to be thrilled for someone who's been dead so many years) to hear she married and had more children. Do you happen to have the name of her husband?.
Hearing that Edward Bates might have been from Ashton is a fascinating piece of news. Obviously you'll know that's where Edward Luetchford married his second wife. Could he actually have chosen to have been transferred to a regiment based in Ashton for a reason connected to the identity of his father?
Mike
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Hi Mike
Welcome to Rootschat ;D
As long as Rosemary hasn't changed her email address, she should receive a notification that you have posted and hopefully come back soon.
When you get your post count to 3, you can exchange personal information such as email addresses on the personal message system.
Dawn
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Hi Dawn,
Thanks for the welcome.
There was a post by a JulianB (I think) about Mary Ann Luetchford on another thread. f I reply to that thread would that mean Julian would receive an email notification too.
I'll try it anyway and at least that will have raised my post count to 3.
Mike
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Hi Mike
If Rosemary's email bounces you'll get a message here from Sarah.
I replied on the other topic so that Julian gets a notification we have both posted. His preferences are set to receive notifications instantly not just for the first reply.
Fingers crossed for this one too.
Dawn