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Hello - first time poster - hope this is in the correct place.
I have been researching my grandmothers family name - CRUMPLIN. The family are from Hartley Wintney and surrounding villages in Hampshire and so far I have linked about half the CRUMPLINs who appear in the FreeBMD registrations. I have noticed another group of about 50 CRUMPLINS registered in the Portsea/Portsmouth area between 1837 and 1901. There is a good chance that the Portsea CRUMPLINs are linked to the Hartley Wintney CRUMPLINs as it is a fairly uncommon name. The link is going to be before 1837.
Anybody interested in the same name or point me towards the missing link?
Thanks in anticipation
tonyamls
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Not sure how you plan to link them without tracing specific persons
Between 1752 and 1812 there are baptisms for 41 CRUMPLIN listed in Hampshire and between 1813 and 1841 there are 45 , in addition there are variations
CRUMPLIN / CRAMPLIN / CROMPELIN /COMPLING / CRUMBLEN
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Hello antamls/Tonyamls - my first post with this site as well.
A very interesting project. However, did you know a Crumplin was one of the many crew lost on Titanic. My area of research does focus on the Titanic Relief Fund Southampton Committee.
At the moment I am trying to work this particular Crumplin as all signs are showing he was in charge/landlord of a pub in Portsmouth. Which one remains unknown as I have to call at Portsmouth records once again, when time the prevails.
Hope this one helps your cause?
Andrew Williams
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Kimbrey
Thanks for the reply - You have prompted me to look at my HGS discs again. I found about 140 CRUMPLINs (and various spellings) 1752 - 1841 and have accounted for about 115 of them. The outstanding ones that I am intested in are:
William and Ann CRUMPLIN of Southwick, Hampshire who had children John (1816), Mary (1819), Elizabeth (1822) and Harriot (1824)
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Thomas and Elizabeth CRUMPLIN of Portsea St Mary who had children William (1813), Thomas (1815) and John Charles (1821)
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Henry CRUMPLIN and Kezia nee Merrett of Portsea St Mary who had children Henry (1813), Mary (1814) and Elizabeth (1817)
These are the first CRUMPLINs in Portsea area so I am thinking perhaps three brothers who moved to the area, married and had families. Now working on that theory.
Tony Marchant
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Hello Andrew
Thanks for the reply - Yes I had seen a Charles George CRUMPLIN b.1877 had died on the Titanic on several websites. I think his parents were John Henry CRUMPLIN and Elizabeth CHANDLER. John Henry's mother was Ann but I am not sure if the grandfather was John or Jonas and am stuck on this at the moment.
If I find the public house I will let you know. Charles is described as a cabin steward on some sites and on one a victualler steward so that may link to previous experience in the pub trade.
Regards
Tony Marchant
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Andrew
Further to my last - 1901 Census shows Charles CRUMPLIN aged 24 years as the publican of the Eastney Arms Public House, (42) Cromwell Road, Portsmouth, Hampshire. Living at the premises are wife Ada aged 24 years and daughter Frances aged 1 year. Also at the premises are servants Cassie Taylor aged 15 years and George (groom aged 43 years) and Amelia (cook aged 49 years) HERMANETT.
Hope that saves you a trip.
Regards
Tony Marchant
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Hello - first time poster - hope this is in the correct place.
I have been researching my grandmothers family name - CRUMPLIN. The family are from Hartley Wintney and surrounding villages in Hampshire and so far I have linked about half the CRUMPLINs who appear in the FreeBMD registrations. I have noticed another group of about 50 CRUMPLINS registered in the Portsea/Portsmouth area between 1837 and 1901. There is a good chance that the Portsea CRUMPLINs are linked to the Hartley Wintney CRUMPLINs as it is a fairly uncommon name. The link is going to be before 1837.
Anybody interested in the same name or point me towards the missing link?
Thanks in anticipation
tonyamls
I am researching Hartley Wintney Crumplins, my grandparents. You might try Thomas, 1796, married Ann Lovelock 1819
He married twice (Mary Ann Sutton) and had several sons, one, William, my great grandfather.
I lived in Portsmouth but never encountered any Crumplins; any possible link must have been truly lost by then.
Edna
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There are some CRUMPLIN newspaper articles from North Hampshire:
Worthy CRUMPLIN sounds a real character!!
ODIHAM, WARNBOROUGH and North Hampshire CRUMPLIN
The Hampshire Advertiser (Southampton, England), Saturday, July 18, 1868; pg. 3; Issue 2342. 19th Century British Library Newspapers: Part II.
George Street v Francis CRUMPLIN. Mr. King appeared for the defendant. The plaintiff (Street), is a bricklayer, and the defendant (CRUMPLIN) a carpenter, both living at North Warnborough. The claim was for materials supplied by Street to CRUMPLIN, which the court found in favour of the defendant.
The Hampshire Advertiser (Southampton, England), Saturday, July 06, 1878; pg. 2; Issue 3345. 19th Century British Library Newspapers: Part II.
Charles CRUMPLIN & William CULLEN & Henry Everley, railway porters at Aldershot, pleaded guilty to stealing beer and coals at Aldershot6 on June 23rd, they were sentenced to Everley to nine and the other two eight months imprisonment each.
The Hampshire Advertiser (Southampton, England), Saturday, May 01, 1886; pg. 8; Issue 4161. 19th Century British Library Newspapers: Part II.
Worthy CRUMPLIN of Mattingley, was summoned by police for setting fire to furze etc on 22nd April on Hugeley Heath. Later in May he pleaded guilty to setting fire to the furze on Viscount Eversley’s estate and he was bound over to keep the peace.
The Hampshire Advertiser (Southampton, England), Wednesday, October 01, 1890; pg. 4; Issue 4623. 19th Century British Library Newspapers: Part II
Odiham: Inquests: The second was a Louisa CRUMPLIN, of the Park Lodge, Odiham, and from evidence it appears the deceased retired to rest about 10 o’ clock as usual, her husband remaining down stairs. He heard a knocking, and on going up found his wife standing by the bed, and bleeding from the leg, a vein having burst. She died in about ten minutes, the husband having no power to stop the bleeding. Verdict death through accidentally bursting a vein.
The Hampshire Advertiser (Southampton, England), Saturday, August 29, 1891; pg. 7; Issue 4718. 19th Century British Library Newspapers: Part II.
ODIHAM
Worthy CRUMPLIN, of Hartley ROW, was ordered to pay 7s and 6d, for being drunk and incapable. The case was brought by Police-sergeant White.
The Hampshire Advertiser (Southampton, England), Saturday, February 04, 1899; pg. 7; Issue 5494. 19th Century British Library Newspapers: Part II.
Odiham: William CRUMPLIN of North Warnborough was fined 5shillings for shooting stones from a catapult on the 22nd January.
There is a private R. T. Crumplin severely injured in the Boer War
Tom
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These are some Portsmouth Newspaper articles including a Parisian Skirt Dancer called Miss Ivy CRumplin:
Portsea CRUMPLIN
Births, Deaths, Marriages and Obituaries .
Hampshire Telegraph and Sussex Chronicle etc (Portsmouth, England), Saturday, April 17, 1875; Issue 4452.
BIRTHS:
CRUMPLIN: On the 9th Inst., at 23, Gold-street, Southsea, the wife of J H. Crumplin, R.N. of a son.
Births, Deaths, Marriages and Obituaries .
The Hampshire Advertiser (Southampton, England), Wednesday, March 07, 1877; pg. 2; Issue 3206. 19th Century British Library Newspapers: Part II.
BIRTHS: CRUMPLIN: On the 12th inst., at Gold-street, Southsea, the wife of Mr. J. J. CRUMPLIN, R. N. of a son.
Births, Deaths, Marriages and Obituaries .
Hampshire Telegraph and Sussex Chronicle etc (Portsmouth, England), Saturday, February 4, 1882; Issue 5166.
DEATHS: CRUMPLIN: On the 2nd instant, at No. 1, King Street, Southsea, Louisa Lydia Emily (Queenie), the beloved child of John & Lizzie Crumplin aged nine months and seven days.
Hampshire Telegraph and Sussex Chronicle etc (Portsmouth, England), Saturday, March 11, 1882; Issue 5176.
A man by the name of John Webb, was accused of stealing a case of whisky, the property of the Crown, whilst serving as a private in the Royal Marines, Portsmouth Division on board HMS Crocodile. In the court martial, a John Henry Crumplin, gave evidence as barman on board the ship, he could prove that the case came from the ship’s store.
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Hampshire Telegraph and Sussex Chronicle etc (Portsmouth, England), Saturday, May 31, 1884; Issue 5372.
William Henry CRUMPLIN, 13 years, was charged with unlawfully wounding Stephen Claxton aged 13 years on Sussex-street, Southsea.
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Hampshire Telegraph and Sussex Chronicle etc (Portsmouth, England), Saturday, June 20, 1885; Issue 5427.
A Mrs Crumplin, living in Sussex-street, Southsea, had a window broken when a gas explosion in the neighbouring street occurred.
Hampshire Telegraph and Sussex Chronicle etc (Portsmouth, England), Saturday, January 12, 1889; Issue 5613.
St. PETER’s THE BAND of HOPE:
On Tuesday an entertainment was given in the Sunday school-room by the boys of St Jude’s and amongst them was a C. CRUMPLIN.
Hampshire Telegraph and Sussex Chronicle etc (Portsmouth, England), Saturday, December 27, 1890; Issue 5705.
SYDNEY HOUSE SCHHOOL, SOUTHSEA
Amongst the prize winners were a C. CRUMPLIN & W. CRUMPLIN. Master C. CRUMPLIN sang a duet. Master W. CRUMPLIN took the part of a black & white minstrel.
THE POLICE COURTS .
Hampshire Telegraph and Sussex Chronicle etc (Portsmouth, England), Saturday, September 12, 1891; Issue 5740.
DOG IN THE PARK John CRUMPLIN, of 2, King-street, Southsea, was fined 5shiilings for allowing his dog to follow him into the Victoria Park.
The Hampshire Advertiser (Southampton, England), Wednesday, December 09, 1891; pg. 2; Issue 4747. 19th Century British Library Newspapers: Part II.
DEATHS: On the 28th ult., at Landport Hospital, Mr. Wm. CRUMPLIN, aged 43.
LICENSES TRANSFERRED .
Hampshire Telegraph and Sussex Chronicle etc (Portsmouth, England), Saturday, December 8, 1894; Issue 5909.
The licence of the Richard Arms, Lake-road, was transferred from Arthur Reardon to John Henry CRUMPLIN.
Hampshire Telegraph and Naval Chronicle (Portsmouth, England), Saturday, October 6, 1900; Issue 6210
LOCAL INVENTORS: Application for patents: J. H. CRUMPLIN, Portsmouth, “Fire Escape” later reported as John Henry Crumplin’s mechanical fire escape”
Category: News
PORTSMOUTH BREWSTER SESSIONS .
Hampshire Telegraph and Sussex Chronicle etc (Portsmouth, England), Saturday, September 26, 1896; Issue 6002.
Albert James CRUMPLIN, applied for a public house license for the “Falcon” beerhouse, King’s Road, Southsea. The application was granted.
Hampshire Telegraph and Sussex Chronicle etc (Portsmouth, England), Saturday, February 18, 1899; Issue 6126.
EXECUTIVE PETTY OFFICERS’ BENEFIT SOCIETY
A successful smoking concert was held under the auspices of this Society at the “Richmond Hotel”, Lake-road, Landport. Songs were contributed by Miss Ivy CRUMPLIN, was encored time and time again!
Miss Ivy features in many newspaper articles, singing and performing on the stage of both local and London Music halls, her main title was Parisian Skirt dancer, soubrette and Mandolinist, permanent address, Richmond Hotel, Portsmouth.
DISTRICT NEWS .
Hampshire Telegraph and Naval Chronicle (Portsmouth, England), Saturday, December 23, 1899; Issue 6170.
HAYLING ISLAND: A Miss Ivy CRUMPLIN gave displays of fancy dancing at the Victoria Hall, Hayling Island for a Patriotic Concert, in aid of the War Relief Fund.
Births, Deaths, Marriages and Obituaries .
Hampshire Telegraph and Naval Chronicle (Portsmouth, England), Saturday, October 28, 1899; Issue 6162.
Category: Birth, death, marriage notices
BIRTHS:
CRUMPLIN: On the 20th inst., at The Arcade, Landport, the wife of Mr. Charles G. C. CRUMPLIN, of a daughter.
Tom
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Then there is this interesting CRUMPLIN from Dublin I think, who passes through Hampshire:
Quarter Master William CRUMPLIN
Freeman's Journal and Daily Commercial Advertiser (Dublin, Ireland), Wednesday, December 11, 1878; Issue N/A.
Sergeant Major W. Crumplin, Calvary Depot; to Brigade Quarter-master sergeant.
Freeman's Journal and Daily Commercial Advertiser (Dublin, Ireland), Friday, January 24, 1879; Issue N/A.
ARMY SERVICE CORPS: Sub-Assistant Commissiary, Late Sergeant Major in the 4th (Queens Own Hussars), has been posted for duty with No. 1 Company at Woolwich.
There are several articles about a Sub-assistant Commissary in the Huzzars called William CRUMPLIN, who when at Woolwich, his wife, had a baby girl born December 31st 1879
THE RETURN OF TROOPS .
The Standard (London, England), Monday, October 23, 1882; pg. 5; Issue 18179. 19th Century British Library Newspapers: Part II.
In Inman steam-ship City of Paris (steam transport) arrived in Plymouth from Alexandria on Saturday with the portion of the Royal Marine Force who have been engaged in the operations in Egypt, the men belonging to Plymouth, Portsmouth and Chatham Divisions. Of the Commissariat Transport Corps was a Quartermaster CRUMPLIN.
Freeman's Journal and Daily Commercial Advertiser (Dublin, Ireland), Thursday, November 2, 1882; Issue N/A.
Quartermaster W. CRUMPLIN of the Commisseriat and Transport staff, has arrived at Woolwich for duty on return from Egypt.
Aberdeen Weekly Journal (Aberdeen, Scotland), Wednesday, May 27, 1885; Issue 9452.
Category: News
RETURN OF SICK OFFICERS:
Cairo: Tuesday, The following officers are here sick from the Nile: Quartermaster W. CRUMPLIN, Commisseriat & Transport Staff.
Northern Echo (Darlington, England), Thursday, June 4, 1885; Issue 4767.
Evacuating the SOUDAN: The following invalided officers embarked on the Jumna on May 30th, from the Nile: Quartermaster W. CRUMPLIN, Commisseriat & Transport Staff.
NAVAL NOTES & NFWS .
Hampshire Telegraph and Sussex Chronicle etc (Portsmouth, England), Saturday, June 20, 1885; Issue 5427.
On Saturday, June 20th, the Jumna, Indian troopship Capt. St George, arrived in Portsmouth harbour, and amongst the officers was Quarter-master CRUMPLIN.
The Morning Post (London, England), Wednesday, April 10, 1895; pg. 3; Issue 38325. 19th Century British Library Newspapers: Part II.
ARMY Service Corps: Qmstr. And Hon Capt. W. CRUMPLIN is placed on retired pay.
The Belfast News-Letter (Belfast, Ireland), Friday, April 12, 1895; Issue 24882.
Captain and Quartermaster CRUMPLIN, commanding B. Beaumont Company, ASC at Dublin, has been placed on the retired list on attaining the age of 55. Captain CRUMPLIN has a total record of over thirty six years of service, of which period twenty years was spent in the ranks. He obtained his commission as sub-assistant commissary in 1878 and became quartermaster two years later. Captain CRUMPLIN saw active service in the Egyptian War of 1882 and the Nile Expedition of 1885.
This Captain W Crumplin retired to live in Bates Street, Upper Rathmines, Ireland-his daughter, Fanny married Frederick William Dunlop at Trinity church Rathmines on August 2nd 1898.
Tom
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Really fascinating information, but not mine; my Crumplins are Hartley Wintney, Winchfield, possibly also Crondall and Elvetham. My grandfather William George (1864-1916) was in the army, possibly Hants/Sussex Foot, ?1880-?1893, and spent some time in India, but I can find no information about this period.
Edna
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Thanks Tom Piper
A lot of info to work through but I can see already some of the "known" CRUMPLINs and some new ones - Worthy? I think that is a nickname as I cannot find his birth yet.
Are the newspaper refs available online to search?
Tony
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Tom Piper posted a reply which included a reference to a certain R T Crumplin who was severely wounded in the South African War.
He was my great grandfather. Where does the reference come from please and are there perhaps further details?
Does anyone know how I can access information listed as held by Emily Lady Tennyson?
I found a reference to a bound copy of a speech given at Freshwater by Tennyson titled " Address to the people of Freshwater going to the Tennyson Colony in South Africa"on Google Books.
The same R T Crumplin together with his family and 24 other families, mainly from Hants, including his brother and his family, left England for South Africa aboard the ship The Arab in 1888 under the stewardship of Arnold White.
Any information leading up to this emigration would be most welcome.
I have a list of all the members of the group who arrived in South Africa but no details as to where they came from or what they did.
Incidentally R T Crumplin had been to America some time before and had got married there in Chicago to a Fanny Cobb ( also from Hants)
Their first child Georgina, my Grandmothers eldest sister having been born there in a town called Menominee, prior to them returning to Dogmersfield, where the family lived.
Colin Mohr (South Africa)
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Colin,
Daily News (London, England), Wednesday, August 29, 1900; Issue 16983. (19th Century British Newspapers available from any local library with a library ticket)
The article is entitled:
BRITISH CASUALTIES: THE FIGHTING NEAR BELFAST: RIDLEY'S LOSSES NEAR WINBURG: DEATHS FROM SICKNESS ETC
Then there are a list of casualties starting with August 20 and HAMMAN'S KRALL, followed by the below named article:
Colonel Ridley's Force, August 25
Queenstown Rifle Volunteers:-Private H. Brown (killed), Sergt H Birkenshaw (dangerously wounded, since dead), Lieut. C. L. Smith, (severely wounded, gunshot wound, right leg), Quarter-master Sergt. E. H. Bradfield, Corporal E. W. Wakeford, Privates A. Raison, C. Subbs and R. T. Crumplin (severely wounded). Private F. Foster (killed), Private J. Dodd (dangerously wounded) , Sergt-Major R. Cooper, Sergt. E. Arnott, Privates F.W. Eva, H.V.B. Helm. H. Neukivol, and G. Barnes (severely wounded).
More details may well be found in Roots Chat Military records.
Tom
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Colin,
There is a lot of information in the source, 19th Century British Newspapers about Arnold White and the British & Colonial Emigration Bureau, and the Tennyson Colony.
Try this one:
A NEW COLONY .
The Sheffield & Rotherham Independent (Sheffield, England), Friday, June 22, 1888; pg. 5; Issue 10549. 19th Century British Library Newspapers: Part II.
Mr. Arnold White sails for South Africa this week in company with a contingent of agricultural labourers from Hampshire, who are bound for the colony of Wolseley, which was established two years ago mainly by the beneficence of Lady Ossington. The enterprise is not, however, a charity, as the Colonists undertake to repay the outlay within a reasonable time. Mr. White's scheme is based on the idea that the pressure of rural labour on the towns owing to the depression of agriculture, may be relieved by drafting labourers to South Africa straight from the counties in turn. ....
In compliment to the Poet Laureate, who takes a great interest in the colony, the Wolseley community is called the Tennyson Colony, and the lady who accompanies the contingent as as trained hospital nurse takes the name Sister Enid.
I see that from one of these articles that the new settlement was in the Queenstown district of Cape Colony, so hence the connection with the other article involving RT Crumplin.
Putting the name Arnold White into the search system comes back with over 300 entries in a three year period, but whether it's the same Arnold White would take me quite a bit of work, so suggest you have a go yourself. if you are abroad and don't belong to a local library here I will send you a PM.
Tom
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Dear Tom. thank you so much for your assistance. Excuse my stupidity, but what is a PM and how would this assist me?
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Colin,
See Rootschat rules etc: I have sent you a PM that explains it.
Tom
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I have just come across this website and the information about the name Crumplin.
The "Miss Ivy" mentioned is my wife's grandmother and she has plenty of information and photos of her and her siblings.
Also I have researched her Great Uncle Charles Crumplin who was heroic but did not survive the Titanic disaster and have information on him.
If anyone wishes further information, please post