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Title: ARTHUR, Harold Whiteford NSW
Post by: jadewing on Sunday 24 April 11 05:21 BST (UK)
Happy Easter Folks.

I'm helping a friend with her tree and we're looking for the forebears of her grandfather, Harold Whiteford (or Whitford) ARTHUR b 1896 St Peters NSW, d Sydney 11/12/1974.

Parents: William Henry Arthur d Sydney 1961? & Eliza Ann X.  My money is on Eliza Ann RICHARDS 1861-1915 m. Sydney 1886 but there is also an Eliza A LUKE m 1885  :-\

Sibs: Richard Clinton Arthur 1891-1917 m Stella M. Toope; Gracie Arthur 1887-1961 m Frank Noble 1910.

Married: Amy Olive BETHEL 1899-1966, par: Arthur John BETHEL & Caroline DUNMAN

I've found a possible death of William Henry in Sydney 1961 but nothing more on the Arthur line.

Any help or leads appreciated.

Cheers, Jane
Title: Re: ARTHUR, Harold Whiteford NSW
Post by: Dundee on Sunday 24 April 11 07:26 BST (UK)
Hi Jane,

Richard's service record gives his home address,  and from that William Henry and Eliza's funeral notices can be found.  Lots of family connections there:

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0cwb/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0cwd/

Eliza's parents on her death reg seem to indicate that she was Eliza RICHARDS, but one of her children's birth certs would be the only reliable way of knowing.

Service records
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0cwc/

Debra  :)
Title: Re: ARTHUR, Harold Whiteford NSW
Post by: Jamjar on Sunday 24 April 11 07:37 BST (UK)
William is buried 29-9-1925 with: Elizabeth Ann who was buried in ANG/LL/0020  on 18-9-1915

Jamjar
Title: Re: ARTHUR, Harold Whiteford NSW
Post by: Dundee on Sunday 24 April 11 07:41 BST (UK)
I have just seen the RICHARDS surname mentioned in William's funeral notice  :D

Debra  :)
Title: Re: ARTHUR, Harold Whiteford NSW
Post by: Jamjar on Sunday 24 April 11 08:22 BST (UK)
Well, those notices certainly give a nice list of family connections, don't they?  ;D

Jamjar
Title: Re: ARTHUR, Harold Whiteford NSW
Post by: Jamjar on Sunday 24 April 11 08:51 BST (UK)
Google Sat image of the house:



Click for Sat image of the house (http://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=23+samuel+street+st+peters&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=23+Samuel+St,+Tempe+New+South+Wales+2044&gl=au&ei=JdazTZneNouMvQOpnpGjBw&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CBoQ8gEwAA)
Title: Re: ARTHUR, Harold Whiteford NSW
Post by: Jamjar on Sunday 24 April 11 09:58 BST (UK)
Have been looking on NSWBDM and found the following for William's brothers and sister:

Alfred E E and Amy E - Alfred death 1947 - Liverpool - Amy Elizabeth death 1943 - parents Henry and Alice Bradley - Ryde
Children:
Frederick C - Death 1947 Chatswood
Alfred B -  Death 1898 Ryde
Aurea V - Death 1916 Ryde
Clarence E H
Sylvia A - Marriage - Elie Jan SOTTER, SOTRIN, SOTRIU  1946 - Ryde
Lurleen P - Marriage - Wilfred J Strain 1926 Sydney

James T and Jessie - James death 1935 - Hurstville -
Children:
Stanley R R -  married Violet C Paterson 1927 - Stanley death 1966 - Kogarah       
Berta C
Malinda J - Death 1897
Elsie

Ada G Arthur  and William J French married 1898 - Ada death 1956 Marrickville
Children:
Arthur C E
Ilene D - married Alfred L Cummings 1930 Balmain North
Title: Re: ARTHUR, Harold Whiteford NSW
Post by: Jamjar on Sunday 24 April 11 10:00 BST (UK)
I can't find a marriage between an E A Arthur and a male Hunt.  :(

I got this all back to front. All sorted now.  ::)
Title: Re: ARTHUR, Harold Whiteford NSW
Post by: Jamjar on Sunday 24 April 11 10:09 BST (UK)
William's parents were James and Margaret.


Deaths:      

979/1866    Mary J SYDNEY   
10216/1925 William H ST PETERS      
7038/1935    James T HURSTVILLE
3763/1947    Alfred LIVERPOOL
8411/1950    Frederick William PARRAMATTA
2892/1956    Ada Grace French MARRICKVILLE


Jamjar
Title: Re: ARTHUR, Harold Whiteford NSW
Post by: jadewing on Sunday 24 April 11 10:12 BST (UK)
Wow, thanks Jamjar and Dundee  :). Those funeral notices are very useful, good to see I was on the right track with Richards  ;)

E. A. E. Richards is Eliza's brother Edwin Albert Ernest

Where did you find William's parents Jamjar?

Cheers, Jane
Title: Re: ARTHUR, Harold Whiteford NSW
Post by: Jamjar on Sunday 24 April 11 10:18 BST (UK)
His parents were listed on his death entry NSWBDM.

Am wondering why Frederick wasn't mentioned in the death notice.

Jamjar
Title: Re: ARTHUR, Harold Whiteford NSW
Post by: jadewing on Sunday 24 April 11 10:26 BST (UK)
Mr & Mrs Fred Arthur are in the 4th funeral notice.  :)
Title: Re: ARTHUR, Harold Whiteford NSW
Post by: Jamjar on Sunday 24 April 11 10:32 BST (UK)
Ah, yes.

Births to James and Margaret

1903/1857 Margaret
2376/1859 Ann   
1539/1860 William H
601/1863 Mary J    
1684/1865 James T    
1428/1868 Alfred E
2737/1870 Frederick W    
143/1873 Ada Grace     
161/1880 Unnamed    
Title: Re: ARTHUR, Harold Whiteford NSW
Post by: Jamjar on Sunday 24 April 11 11:55 BST (UK)
Time to stop as I'm  :o

I have been searching for who would have been married to the E A Hunt and all I can come up with is:
282/1900 Ebenezer A married to a Jane C Arthur.

Jamjar
Title: Re: ARTHUR, Harold Whiteford NSW
Post by: jadewing on Monday 25 April 11 08:04 BST (UK)
From the NSW State Records it looks like James 26 yo  and Margaret 25 yo arrived Sydney on the Nimroud 12 Oct 1856 ex London.  Their infant son James died at sea  :'(

Now to try and find them in England.

Jane
Title: Re: ARTHUR, Harold Whiteford NSW
Post by: Dundee on Monday 25 April 11 08:30 BST (UK)
Hi Jane,

You might not find them in England, James was a slater from Linlithgow in Scotland, but no birth details for Margaret or baby James (died 25 September 1856).

Debra  :)
Title: Re: ARTHUR, Harold Whiteford NSW
Post by: jadewing on Monday 25 April 11 09:11 BST (UK)
Thanks Debra.

Where did you find that? I'm off to the Scotland board now  :D

Jane
Title: Re: ARTHUR, Harold Whiteford NSW
Post by: Jamjar on Monday 25 April 11 10:19 BST (UK)
Think I may have found the deaths and burials of James and Margaret.

There are folk by these names buried in the same grave at Rookwood. Anglican: AAAA 539

It fits with deaths on NSWBDM: James at Newtown 1919 and Margaret at Marrickville 1910. Margaret's parents being William and Mary, which sit well with the Scottish naming pattern of children.

Jamjar
Title: Re: ARTHUR, Harold Whiteford NSW
Post by: Jamjar on Monday 25 April 11 11:00 BST (UK)
Interesting: Ebenezer Hunt AAAA 540, Jane C AAAA 540 and in James and Margaret Arthur in AAAA 539

So, I am rather certain that our Mrs Hunt mentioned in the burial notice is this Jane.

Jamjar
Title: Re: ARTHUR, Harold Whiteford NSW
Post by: jadewing on Monday 25 April 11 11:02 BST (UK)
Great, thanks Jamjar.

I was considering those two as likely suspects for James and Margaret in the NSWBMD as they fit with the locations of some of their children.

Jane
Title: Re: ARTHUR, Harold Whiteford NSW
Post by: Jamjar on Monday 25 April 11 11:11 BST (UK)
There's a Clarence E in Anglican Granite Lawn 2 14-9-81

Jamjar
Title: Re: ARTHUR, Harold Whiteford NSW
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 30 April 11 07:39 BST (UK)
I have photos of the headstones for: James and Margaret Arthur and Ebenezer and Jane Hunt; Clarence E Arthur.

If you'd like to PM me an email address I can send them, or I'm happy to post all of them here.

Jamjar
Title: Re: ARTHUR, Harold Whiteford NSW
Post by: jadewing on Saturday 30 April 11 15:16 BST (UK)
Awesome Jamjar. I'll PM you  :-*
Title: Re: ARTHUR, Harold Whiteford NSW
Post by: jadewing on Sunday 01 May 11 02:31 BST (UK)
Think I may have found the deaths and burials of James and Margaret. There are folk by these names buried in the same grave at Rookwood. Anglican: AAAA 539

It fits with deaths on NSWBDM: James at Newtown 1919 and Margaret at Marrickville 1910. Margaret's parents being William and Mary, which sit well with the Scottish naming pattern of children.

Jamjar

Hi Jamjar

Your post quotes Margaret's parents as William & Mary - is that from the headstone or cemetery records?  The NSWBMD for Margaret Arthur 1910/10004 Marrickville, lists her parents as Henry and Mary? If there's a discrepancy I guess we'll just have to check the death certificate.

Jane
Title: Re: ARTHUR, Harold Whiteford NSW
Post by: msafier on Tuesday 10 May 11 11:30 BST (UK)
Jane, I would like to get in touch with your friend. Harold's father William Henry Arthur, eldest son of James Arthur of Hunter St, Sydney did marry Eliza Ann Richards on 20 January 1886 at St James, Sydney. Eliza (Lizzie) was the eldest daughter of T. E. Richards who I believe is a photographer of Sydney I am researching.  Cheers! Marcel, Brisbane (msafier at ozemail.com.au)
Title: Re: ARTHUR, Harold Whiteford NSW
Post by: jadewing on Tuesday 10 May 11 14:44 BST (UK)
Hi Marcel

Welcome to RootsChat. 

I'll contact my friend and let her know of your interest. Meanwhile you should not post your email address. Once you have made three posts I will be able to contact you by private message.

Cheers, Jane
Title: Re: ARTHUR, Harold Whiteford NSW
Post by: jadewing on Tuesday 10 May 11 15:11 BST (UK)
Hmm. I've discovered an 1859 NSW marriage for James Arther and Margaret Clinton which would negate the Scottish connection and would be inconsistent with the birth dates of some of the children. But Clinton works with the daughter Jane's middle name.

Looks like two couples, both James and Margaret Arthur/Arther.  But which one ??? Looks like my friend may have to invest in a few certificates to be certain.

Jane
Title: Re: ARTHUR, Harold Whiteford NSW
Post by: Jamjar on Wednesday 11 May 11 10:10 BST (UK)
Yes, Jane, it does say Henry and Mary.

It explains the Henry in William Henry Arthur.

If you are going to get a cert I'd go with a transcript of Margaret's death cert.

You can't post email addresses on this site, Jane.

Jamjar
Title: Re: ARTHUR, Harold Whiteford NSW
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 25 June 11 08:11 BST (UK)
Hi Jane,

I finally got over the Woronora and took the phots of the grave for William and Eliza Arthur.

Jamjar
Title: Re: ARTHUR, Harold Whiteford NSW
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 25 June 11 08:13 BST (UK)
Another 2

Jamjar
Title: Re: ARTHUR, Harold Whiteford NSW
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 25 June 11 08:14 BST (UK)
Last 2

Jamjar
Title: Re: ARTHUR, Harold Whiteford NSW
Post by: jadewing on Wednesday 20 July 11 15:11 BST (UK)
Thanks Heaps Jamjar, my friend Diane will be thrilled!