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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: AthenaGr on Saturday 23 April 11 16:46 BST (UK)
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In 1901 census my grandmother's family were living at 4 Martins Cottages Ballsbridge (Pembroke East & Donnybrook, Dublin) I was wondering if anybody knew what this address is today?
Thank you.
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there was a previous topic by someone looking for the same cottages a while ago ... unfortunately without success - see : Old Dublin addresses (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,340802.0.html)
I've had a quick look around the area on the old OSI maps (25" map is from c1890), but didn't see any sign of them - see : Balls Bridge (http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,717780,732467,7,9)
Shane
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ah ok Thanks very much. I don't think the cottages were there in 1911 either well at least i can't seem to find them on the 1911 census. My grandmother's family then moved to O'Brien's Place (Pembroke West, Dublin) which I also haven't found yet.
Thanks again
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They seem to have existed up to at least 1922 - see eadaoin's note on the other post (reply#7 (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,340802.msg2200247.html#msg2200247)).
The cottages are included in the street index of Thom's 1904 and 1914, but they dont have a separate street listing (not unusual for small rows of cottages). Sometimes small side streets like these are mentioned in the details for street listing items... but are more difficult to locate them that way. I've tried the major roads in the Ballsbridge area and not seen any mention ..
Shane
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I also found a mention on this site for the second adress that my family lived at O'Briens Place . http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=s32976r34gi2hd5bjkonlna574&topic=488747;prev_next=next
Between houses disappearing and women who keep changing their ages I'm beginning to think that my family don't want to be found !
Thanks again Shane , I hope you are enjoying the Easter break.
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I've posted a question re Martin's Cottages on the forums on Dublin.ie - maybe someone on there will have heard of them.
Will let you know if I hear anything...
S.
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;D Thank you very much .
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I am new to this site and also interested in locating Martins Cottages. My grandfather Charles Byrne at the time of his marriage in 1889 was residing in 8 Martins Cottages Ballsbridge.
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Hi Ros44
Unfortunately I'm still not any the wiser as to the whereabouts of Martin's s cottages. My grandmother Esther Byrne was living at 4 Martins cottages in the 1901 census.
She was living at 3 Church Lane at the time of her birth in 1895 although her brothers John(1878) and Michael (1880) were living at 5 Martins cottages at the time of their births. So it seems the family started their family life off in Martin's cottages , moved then went back in 1901 or there abouts. Her parents names were James Byrne and Elizabeth Kilbride. My gr gr Grandfathers name was John Byrne ; so far I haven't come across the name Charles Byrne in my research.
Regards
Athenagr
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I think that Martin's cottages may have been the ones currently called Herbert Cottages. These are in the townland of Ballsbridge as indicated on the 1901 B1 form for Martin's Cottages, and located north of Merrion Road, and just east of the Dodder.
On the OSI map, from about 1890, there are 8 cottages shown at this location, which also matches the B1 1901 form, and the description of houses as having just one window in the front also fits the current houses, which look about the right age.
They are labelled on the 25" OSI map as Pembroke Cottages : Herbert/Pembroke/Martin's Cottages (http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,717910,732631,7,9)
Shane
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Thank you very much Shane !
I think you must be right as when I told my Uncle that I had found his mother living at Martins Cottages he was surprised because he said that as a child he remembered her mentioning Pembroke cottages but he said that was over 70 odd years ago and he could have been wrong because he never went there to visit . Do you know Shane who actually owned those cottages back then?
You've been a great help once again Shane !
Regards
A
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There's no owner(s) of the properties shown on the 1901 building return, but given the name and area involved I would suspect they were part of the Pembroke estate - i.e. Fitzwilliam Family. They owned large amount of property in Dublin, including much of the Donnybrook and Ballsbridge areas.
There are a number of other sets of Pembroke Cottages in Dublin city and suburbs e.g. several in the city centre, two sets in Donnybrook and more out as far as Dundrum and Blackrock.
I haven't found the cottages in 1911 yet - but will post here when/if I do..
Shane
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Thanks very much Shane.
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Thank you both for reply and info (map was very helpful). I had wondered if it was possible James might be a brother, however Charles was born in Co. Wicklow? so therefore definitely not related.
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Hi Ross44
Do you have a marriage cert/ birth cert for Charles? If so his parents names may be mentioned on them. James father's name was John Byrne. So far I haven't found James' birth cert yet. Having such a common name isn't making it very easy.
Good luck in your search.
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Athena GR.
My g/f Charles' nephew Nicholas Kerwin, 2 Pembroke Place. Ballsbridge married a Jane Byrne in 1903, at which time her address was 16 Brook Lawn Donnybrook (located on map from Shane) - however her father is named as Michael Byrne - any relationship?
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Tku Athena GR
Yes, I have his marriage cert and his father is William Byrne, Co. Wicklow. As you say having such a common name as Byrne makes it very difficult! Best wishes.
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Hi , I have got a Michael Byrne (1880 ) and a Jane Byrne (1885) in the family tree but they would be too young to be your Jane and Michael. Perharps there is some relationship as names often repeat themselves through a family but there again some names are extrememly common . My gr grandfather James Byrne was living at 2 Pembroke Cottages at the time of his marriage 1878. As for your family coming from Wicklow , It was always thought that my grandmother's family were from Wicklow despite the fact that the 1901 census has her and her parents down as being from Dublin but perharps I just haven't reached my Wicklow ancestors yet.
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Hi Ros44
Unfortunately I'm still not any the wiser as to the whereabouts of Martin's s cottages. My grandmother Esther Byrne was living at 4 Martins cottages in the 1901 census.
She was living at 3 Church Lane at the time of her birth in 1895 although her brothers John(1878) and Michael (1880) were living at 5 Martins cottages at the time of their births. So it seems the family started their family life off in Martin's cottages , moved then went back in 1901 or there abouts. Her parents names were James Byrne and Elizabeth Kilbride. My gr gr Grandfathers name was John Byrne ; so far I haven't come across the name Charles Byrne in my research.
Regards
Athenagr
Church Lane was in Donnybrook, behind the police station & graveyard, its now known as The Crescent, Ballsbridge is only a few minutes walk from there
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Thank you very much for that Mjb1.
I was also trying to figure out where Church Lane was !
Delighted with that !
Regards
Athenagr
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I had relatives in Church Lane i think around the 1880's but i dont know when the name changed to The Crescent
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I have been trying to find it just there on Google map but I haven't found it yet.
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The Crescent/Church Lane, Donnybrook on the OSI maps : link (http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,717498,731554,7,3)
and on Google maps (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=The+Crescent,+Donnybrook,+Dublin,+Ireland&hl=en&ll=53.321216,-6.236275&spn=0.002775,0.008358&sll=53.32222,-6.237595&sspn=0.001387,0.004179&vpsrc=6&hnear=The+Crescent,+Donnybrook,+Dublin+4,+Ireland&t=m&z=17)
Shane
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Thank you very much !
I have such a great feeling everytime I learn something new about my family . Thank you all very much for helping me in my search .
;D
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Hi Athena GR
Thanks for info. I spoke with someone recently who indicated that the Pemrbroke cottages Shane noted on the OSI map recently were known as 'the Estate Cottages' locally? On the opposite side of the river down from the Vocational Tech are 8 cottages also named 'Estate Cottages'?
I've located a cousin who seems to have some information and whom I'm hoping to meet in the next couple of weeks re my gf Charles. I'll let you know if there appears to be any connection to your James Byrne, but at the moment it seems unlikely.
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Oh your welcome Ros44. I don't think there is a connection with James Byrne and Charles Byrne but I think there may be a connection with ( Nicholas Kerwin wife )Jane Byrne's father Michael Byrne. I think that James Byrne and Michael Byrne may have been brothers but I need to do some more work on it before I can be sure.
Hope you learn lots of great information from your relative.
Regards
Athenagr
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Found another Martins Cottages on the OSI map, they are SW of Leeson Park House between Chelmsford Avenue & Ranelagh Avenue, not in Ballsbridge but not that far away