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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: joancrellen on Saturday 23 April 11 00:45 BST (UK)
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I have a marriage record for a Robert S. Gilroy and a Minnie McNamee for 1913 (1) South Shields.
I have managed to trace Minnie's family prior to her marriage but cannot find Robert's. I do not know what the S. stands for. I could only find two entries in the GRO for Robert S. Gilroy - one was Stokoe, born 1864 and died 1864, the other was born in 1899 which would make him only 14 in 1913 which doesn't seem likely.
Has anyone got these people in their tree or can anyone shed light on Robert S., please?
Joan
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How old was he when they married and what was his fathers name and occupation?
You can then check the free 1911 index for him - there are 4 entries for Northumberland but none for Durham
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Hi Joan,
There is an Army record for him which will provide some information - main facts are as follows.
Index says he was born c. 1889, joined in 1915 at which time he was living at 68 Canada Street, Shieldfield, Newcastle.
Was in the Army Cycle Corps. Service no. 2350G or
M/427411 in ASCMT.
age 26 years 8 months on 12 December 1916/18? or 16th May 1916
Clothiers Asistant
Height 5ft 6.25 inches
Next of Kin Minnie GILROY 68 Canada Street - wife
Children
Ethel ?? ??? 1914
Robert S 13 Feb 1916
Minnie Doris 13 Oct 1917
Full Name Robert Swan GILROY
First Joined 5 Apr 1917
Enlisted 12 Dec 1915
Mob. 5 Apr 1917
Bryan
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1901 William (49) and Ellen (45) are at 8 Gosforth Street with a large family RG13-4786 folio 5
Bryan
Addition - - this may be their marriage
Marriages Mar 1875
Ardle William Newcastle T. 10b 213
Blackburn Mary Jane Newcastle T. 10b 213
Gilroy William Newcastle T. 10b 213
ROBERTSON Ellen Newcastle T. 10b 213
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Struggling to find William and Ellen in 1881 or 1891.
1901 children all born All Saints, Newcastle
One of them is Stoddart GILROY age 15
Births Sep Qtr 1885
GILROY Stoddart Baird Newcastle T. 10b 113
Can't even find him in 1891. Maybe time to give up.
Bryan
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Many thanks for all the info. Bryan. Very useful. It has given me good leads to work on.
Joan
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The venue was "unknown" for the marriage of William Gilroy and Ellen Robertson so most likely the register office
There is a baptism of William Gilroy in All Saints 17 Oct 1852 s/o Henry and Elizabeth
I think the Gilroy's are somehow related to the Baird's as a William born abt 1852 is a grandson with Stoddart Baird b 1798 in Newcastle in the 1861 census. RG09/3828 folio 92 page 21. Also there is a grandson Stoddart Baird age 11. The wife is Elizabeth but I don't think she is the first wife--someone named Martha was.
Janis
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Hi Janis,
I have already connected the Gilroys with the Bairds following Bryan's info.
Stoddart's wife is named as Elizabeth on the '41C, '51C, '61C and '71C with both dying before '81C.
Where do you get Martha from as his wife, please?
I think Henry must have married Elizabeth Baird although I cannot match them up on the GRO. Elizabeth was married in 1852 (2) Sth. Shields. William was born 1852 so it would match up there. Unfortunately Henry Gilroy's name doesn't seem to appear in the GRO for the same quarter 1852(2)
There is a marriage for a Henry Gilroy in 1851 (4) but the only Elizabeth on that list is named Hazon.
A lot more searching to do methinks.
Joan
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Sorry I would have answered sooner but alas I must work sometimes
Marriages to Stoddard Baird:
13 Apr 1823 to Martha Leighton Newcastle All Saints
24 Feb 1833 to Elizabeth Foster Hazon Newcastle St. John
Janis
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Baptisms Newcastle All Saints:
James Hall Baird 29 Aug 1824 s/o Stoddard Baird and Martha, Shipwright
Isabella Leighton Baird 25 Dec 1825 d/o Stoddard Baird and Martha, Sandgate, Shipwright
Thomas Dixon Baird 5 Aug 1827 s/o Stoddart Baird and Martha, Sandgate, Shipwright
There is a cemetery stone in Jesmond to this family. Mentioned are Stoddard and Elizabeth, Martha and Thomas Dixon . Another stone has James Hall Baird, shipwright age 78, died 18 May 1903
The burial place of Stoddard Baird, Shipwright, Martha, his wife died 26 Nov 1827, age 26 years, was interred at the Ballast Hills Cemetery. Thomas Dixon Baird his youngest son died 6 Feb 1855, age 27 Isabella leighton, his daughter and relict of Joseph Henry Baker died 9 July 1870, age 44. The above Stoddard Baird died 10 Nov 1875, age 77 years. Elizabeth, wife of the above died 7 May 1878, age 80 years.
Janis
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Great work Janis.
This could mean that the marriage of Henry Gilroy and Elizabeth Hazon makes sense, but only if Elizabeth Foster Hazon was a widow when she married Stoddard Baird. Is there any mention of her being a widow on the marriage record? I assume she must have been as Elizabeth's age on the 1881Census gives her a birthdate of 1823/4, well before the 1833 marriage. Will need to find her father's name now. It also means that Stoddard Baird is not William's biological grandfather.
Thanks Janis. Joan
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I looked at the marriage on the BT's for St. John but it doesn't say anything about their status or anyone else's. I do not know about the regular parish register though, or if the banns are available.
There is a marriage of a William Hazon and Elizabeth Weddel in Gosforth 26 Nov 1821. There is a baptism in N/C All Saints of an Elizabeth Hazon 22 Feb 1822 d/o William and Elizabeth, Mushroom, Glass-maker
Then 12 Aug 1849 Stoddard Baird Hazon was baptised in All Saints, mother Elizabeth, no father.
Seems there is alot of the name Stoddard Baird around.
Janis
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I know these posts are old, and you may have it all figured out. But I was amazed to find these posts.
This is my family that you are asking about.
Thomas Dixon Baird Gilroy is my grandfather. Henry and Elizabeth are great grandparents etc.
If I can help at all
S