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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Derbyshire => Topic started by: Helene hanff on Tuesday 19 April 11 19:13 BST (UK)
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I have a few questions firstly my relatives live in Great Barlow and there seems to be various members of the Tagg family living in Brentwoodgate. Does anyone know where this is?
Also Martin Tagg b1821, I can't read his occupation in the 1871 census return. can anyone tell me what his occupation is. He is living with his wife Elizabeth and two of his children . in 1851 and 1861 he is a miner and in 1881 and 1891 he is a farmer. Also in 1881 he is a farmer of 17 acres at ?? again I can't read it is it Northall?
Finally and most perplexing according to the 1871 census there are three of Martin and Elizabeth's children living at Commonside, Charlotte age 9, Elizabeth (head of household) age 11 and Bernard age 6. Is commonside near Brentwoodgate? Can anyone think why they would not have any adult living there?
Hope someone can help
thanks
Helene
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Hi
His occupation looks like Higler - see this other post on rootschat
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,105360.0.html
Rosie
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Thanks for that Rosie I thought it was tyler but coulnd't make sense of it because there was obviously an i in the word, and if I take the farming descriptions it is possible. Thanks
Helene
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I hadn't heard of it either - I just g**gled what it looked like and found the rootschat post :)
Rosie
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Hi Rosie
As mentioned a HIGGLER itinerant dealer who haggles or bargains
I found in the 1895 Kellys Directory of commercial
Farewell Tagg, Farmer at Brentwood Gate.
Farewell is 3 years old on the 1871 census.
You ask why the three children are by themselves in the house on Commonside
I dont know for sure but it is a small village and maybe the place they had was a L shape. Therefore, the family live in two sections of the same house but the back of it faces onto Commonside. I also notice in the Kellys directory it states that a mail box is on the wall of Commonside.
So this lead me to believe the back went onto a main road and the other part of the house was on around the corner? The three children were in that back part sleeping there. We have no knowledge of how people thought to fill out the census in those days and if they couldnt write the scribe would have done it for them.
We have just done the 2011 census the other week and I had to read it twice before I could fill it out properly, so just think if you couldnt read at all lol.
regards Sandymc
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Thanks for that Sandy, I must admit I had thought of the house being more stone cottages, silly me, not back to back terrace type houses. Does any one know more about this area, I can't understand how Martin was a farmer either would he have continued to live at the same house and rent a farm somewhere else? I feel really ignorant about the lives of my relatives.
Hope some one can help
regards
Helene
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Hello Helene
Brentwood Gate (Barlow) was to the west of Chesterfield and if you do a search for Brentwood Gate, Derbyshire, there are quite a few listings, but one I noticed is called "Andrew's pages" and has Kelly's Directory for 1891. It doesn't seem to be on any maps now.
Mike
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Hi, re the Higglers I googled because we have a pub called the Jolly Higglers in Nottingham.
'Higglers'
Perhaps the purest water in the town was obtained on Zion Hill (in the Canning Circus area). From the end of the 18th century the Zion Hill Water and Marble Works raised water from two wells near Alfreton Road, employing steam engines which also sawed marble and powered a number of lace machines. Part of the supply was piped to houses in the town and part delivered manually by water carriers known as 'higglers'.
James Granger, writing in 1902, recollected from his younger days seeing 'carts going about the town with fresh drinking water and selling it for a half penny per bucket' [Source 2], and the Nottingham Annual Register for 1840 lists six 'higglers'. Until recently there was still a public house called 'The Jolly Higgler' on Ilkeston Road.
Granger also wrote that he had reason to believe that Messrs. Walker, the proprietors of the Zion Hill Works, received five thousand pounds from the Nottingham Waterworks Co. for terminating their supply of water to the houses of Nottingham [Source 3].
Courtesy of this website
http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/manuscriptsandspecialcollections/learning/healthhousing/theme2/watersupply.aspx
Skewy
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Thanks very much for all this info it is quite fascinating to read about Higglers
thanks everyone
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Hi
There is a Brindwoodgate just north of Barlow commonside (on the dlightfully named Highlightly Lane) and nearby a Great Brind Wood.
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Thanks for that I have found Brindwood gate on Old Maps site.
I have found various Tagg relatives listed as farmers although the only one who lists his occupation in the census returns as farmer is Martin Tagg in 1881 and 1891.
Farewell Tagg lists himself as a miner even though he is listed in 1895 and 1922 as a farmer in Kellys directory and there only appears to be one Farewell Tagg in Barlow.
In 1941 Farewells son's are listed as small holders. Tagg Hiram small holder Brentwood gate, Tagg David small holder Beeches Barlow. This is the first mention of bote Brentwood Gate and Brindwood gate farm.
So thanks again for the help
Helene