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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wexford => Topic started by: zakiemya10 on Monday 18 April 11 20:59 BST (UK)
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Hi. I am now trying to find info on Bride Street, Wexford Town in the 1920's. My Father was born there in a building called Wetherings Court. ?? (I cannot find any info as I think the spelling is incorrect) Any information would be great. Thanks.
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The court was a lane off Bride Street. Sadly it no longer exists.
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In Coolcotts Lane lived one of the characters of the 1940s, Sam Wetherald. His family had
owned property at the back of Bride Street towards the Stonebridge called Wetherald’s Court.
He had a monkey and a sailor’s cap and a liking for porter. When he made his way home in the
evenings, and was in danger of colliding with the wall, the local boys would call out, ‘Port your
helm Sam, port your helm.’
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I hadn’t heard the name of this place before now but it helps me pin down roughly where in Bride Street my Gt.GF John Dalton (b1860) was living with his family at the time of the 1911 census.
Bridget Carroll from Wetherald’s Court was fined for drunkenness per an article in an edition of the Free Press in 1909 – see below.
She appears to still be resident in Bride Street in the 1911 census, at dwelling 15 in the St Mary’s parish end of Bride Street.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003620095/
Looking at the attached map if it’s assumed the enumerator started at the South Main Street end of Bride Street and count 15 buildings up on the left it takes you into Wetherald’s Court.
(I assume the lane entrance was from Bride St, the map below seems to have a house where the entrance should be but it looks like an X has been put through it indicating it’s a mistake on the map)
As the enumerator went around the court and came back out I can guess that dwelling 23, where my Gt GF lived, would be just a couple of houses up the street on the left from the entrance to the Court.
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Thanks so much Shorts for that info. After living in Wetheralds Court my dads family moved to Wolfe Tone Villas. My mum was born in Dukes Lane then they
moved to Wolfe Tone Villas a few years later. My Mum and Dad knew the Daltons well.
My Mums friend Margaret Fenlon married John Dalton but her life time friend was Katie Sullivan (nee Fenlon) Margarets sister. Sadly both Katie and my Mum died last year within 3 months of one another.
Thats why I would like to know about her family but struggling.
Regards
Zakiemya
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Hi
Although the Dalton surname is quite uncommon in Wexford Town the John Dalton you refer to was not a direct descendant of the Dalton family who lived in Bride Street in 1911. Not quite sure at the moment which John Dalton this is but he'll almost certainly be related.
Do you have any information re your Grandparents, e.g. surnames, ages at death etc?
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My grandparents on my Fathers side were Bridget Callaghan (nee Swanson) who was born in Wexford in 1888 and died in Wexford in 1972. She had a brother James but dont know if she had anymore siblings. She lived in Wolfe Tone Villas as did her brother James. I have checked the census but the names and ages dont match. I dont know anything about Bridgie's parents.
My Grandfather was Richard Callaghan born in 1889 and died in 1953. I cant find anything on his parents or siblings. I was told he had a sister Ellen and I think she married a Waters from Wexford but I could be wrong as I cannot remember what my dad said all those years ago. It could also be that Bridgie also had a sister.
I do remember that my dad said he had first cousins named Whitmore and Waters
but I dont know what side of the family they were and who married who.
Cannot find any Swanson's at all. Maybe all gone now.
As you have seen from my previous posts I am looking for the Doran side of my family. My Great Grandmother on my Mothers side was a Barbara Doran from New Ross and married John Berry from Wexford in 1902. No success on this side so far.
Thanks for all your help
Zakiemya
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My grandparents on my Fathers side were Bridget Callaghan (nee Swanson) who was born in Wexford in 1888 and died in Wexford in 1972. She had a brother James but dont know if she had anymore siblings. She lived in Wolfe Tone Villas as did her brother James. I have checked the census but the names and ages dont match. I dont know anything about Bridgie's parents.
My Grandfather was Richard Callaghan born in 1889 and died in 1953. I cant find anything on his parents or siblings. I was told he had a sister Ellen and I think she married a Waters from Wexford but I could be wrong as I cannot remember what my dad said all those years ago. It could also be that Bridgie also had a sister.
I do remember that my dad said he had first cousins named Whitmore and Waters
but I dont know what side of the family they were and who married who.
Cannot find any Swanson's at all. Maybe all gone now.
As you have seen from my previous posts I am looking for the Doran side of my family. My Great Grandmother on my Mothers side was a Barbara Doran from New Ross and married John Berry from Wexford in 1902. No success on this side so far.
Thanks for all your help
Zakiemya
You state "My Grandfather was Richard Callaghan born in 1889 and died in 1953. I can't find anything on his parents or siblings."
Does this mean you've discounted the Richard Callaghan aged 12 living in Sinnotts Lane, Wexford Town in 1901 and then in Furlongs Lane aged 21 in 1911?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/Wexford_Urban_No__2/Sinnotts_Lane/1805503/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Wexford_No__2_Urban/Furlong_s_Lane/696946/
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Bapt of William Callaghan in the The Bride St Church parish register - dob: 20/12/1925
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See below details of the marriage of a James Swanson of Wetherald Court in the Bride St Church parish register. Date: 6 March 1922.
If this is Bridget's brother then it confirms her father was a William Swanson.
(A witness to this marriage appears to be a James Berry also of Wetherald Court)
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Thank you so much for that information. The birth you sent for William Callaghan born 1925 is in fact my Father. How wonderful to see.
I was confused with the census as the spelling for Callaghan was wrong and confirm that the link you sent from the census is correct.
Again with the census for my grandmother Bridget Swanson. On the family search website I found her birth which was 1888 but she is not on the census for 1901 or 1911. I found her father William and her brother James and also see she had a sister Lizzie which I did not
know about. I am now trying to find her marriage. I am not very good at this. Still learning.
Thank you again for all your help.
Regards
Zakiemya
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The Swanson surname is very rare, there are only 4 families recorded in the whole of the 1901 census. Therefore the one and only Swanson family in Co Wexford is almost certainly yours:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/Wexford_Urban_No__2/Furlongs_Lane/1807399/
Bridget is 11, almost matching the year of birth you have for her.
There is one other Swanson in Wexford, Maggie aged 18 living with her Grandmother aged 80 in William Street. Maggie must be either an Auntie or, more likely, an older sister of Bridget. Either way it looks like you may have a family link back to the 1820’s.
By 1911 there is still only one family of Swanson’s in Co Wexford and they are still resident in Furlongs Lane, Wexford Town:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Wexford_No__2_Urban/Furlong_s_Lane/696948/
There are some inconsistencies between the two censuses. Whilst the age of the Head of the family has as expected gone from 40 to 50 the forename has changed from Michael to William. However it is not unusual in this part of the world for different forenames to be used. Eliza has gone from aged 4 to Lizzie aged 13 which is consistent.
As William had 10 children, 7 of whom are no longer living it’s highly likely John has died between the censuses.
William is stated to be married and not widowed so it’s possible his wife is still alive. She could be in an institution (hospital, workhouse etc) where initials rather than full names tended to be recorded. Or has she travelled somewhere with her daughter Bridget who as you say is not around?
(The following looks like the marriage of your GF Richard Callaghan’s older brother, William: date: 7 July 1908)
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Thank you so much. It all fits together. I thought there were 2 Swanson families
but I can see now there is only one. I found that John Swanson died after the census in 1901, aged 1. Changing first names is confusing and thats what caused my problems as I am not experienced enough. Just finding it strange that I cant find
Bridget or my Great Grandmother Margaret. I would think you are right. Could be away in hospital etc. At least I know she was born in 1888 and died in 1972 as I remember that well. I am now trying to find Lizzie (or Eliza) the marriage for her.
The Maggie Swanson you mentioned I think is definitely Bridgets sister.
Thank you for all you help.
Zakiemya
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hi zkiemya my mother was born in dukes lane 1938 she is also * and margaret were her first cousins what was your mothers name and il ask my mother if she remembers her and your father its so frustrating when you live in england and trying to get info , shorts is great with info he has sent me some very good info
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hi shorts is they a reason it is not unusual for name change has i have come across this
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hi shorts is they a reason it is not unusual for name change has i have come across this
I'm not quite sure what your asking here but regarding the different forename between the 1901 & 1911 censuses - well I'm just speculating, there's no hard evidence as yet to support it.
Over time some people become better known by their 'pet' names. (My Great Uncle is named 'John' in the 1901 & 1911 census but my Mother knew him as 'Jack'!!)
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My mum was Babs Berry, Her Father was Andy Berry and her mum was Mary Kate Harris. My mum died last August so I am trying to find her Grandmothers family. They were from New Ross which she knew. My Grandad Andy was the son of a Barbara Doran of New Ross. I have already posted info on Roots chat so anybody
with info I would be delighted to hear from you.
Regards
Zakiemya
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hi katie was my mothers first cousin il ask my mother if she nos anythink they was another berry family living in dukeslane back then that also moved to wolf tone maybe you was related to them do you no why your family came to wexford town from new ross
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As far as I know they were the only Berry's at the time in Dukes Lane. They were there in the 1930's. My mum Babs was born in 1931 then moved up to Wolfe Tone
but dont know when. Her Grandmother Barbara Doran was from New Ross and my mum said her grandfather John Berry met her while working in New Ross and brought her to Wexford Town to live when they married. John Berry was from Wexford Town. Barbara died when she was 30 in 1916 when my Grandad Andy Berry was 10. My mum grew up with Katie Fenlon, school etc. Came to England together to work. Lifelong friends. Katie came to see her the day before she died last August as my mum asked for her. I asked Katie if she knew anything about the Doran side of our family but did not only that Barbara Doran died young and left young children.
Thanks for your help
Zakiemya
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The following is a list of ratepayers (Heads of family) appearing in a Wexford newspaper dated October 1936. (Duke Street/Lane had by now been officially re-named Thomas Clarke Street)
It suggests that A (Andrew?) Berry had moved from Duke Street to Wolf Tone Villas sometime before Oct 1936.
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Thank you so much for that. The A. Berry is my grandfather and with my nan and Mum they lived at 51 Wolfe Tone Villas. My Grandfather on my Dads side is R. Callaghan and they lived at no. 35. How wonderful. A good few names I recognise and met many of them as a child visiting. Thank you so much for that.
Regards
Zakiemya
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My great grandfather Paul Pithman jnr Lived at 21 Wolfe Tone, his brother Christopher at number 40, not sure what number my great great grandfather Paul Pitman snr lived at in Wolfe Tone Villas, but i do know he lived at 22 Bride street according to the 1911 census.
A lot of this info i have is all thanks to shorts ;D
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Hi Guys,
I'm new to this site and was googling my ancestors then got excited when I saw all the 'Swanson' activity on here.
My Great Grandmother and those before her were Swansons hailing from Wexford, my side of the family the emigrated to 'Ireland by the sea' - Liverpool. My G Grandmother was Mary Ann Swanson born in 1886 in Temperance Row, Wexford her Father who was a mariner was called James Swanson b. 1854 in Wexford. Her Mother was Mary Cleare b. 1859 we think in Wexford although this is un-confirmed. By 1891 this family including Mary Ann Swanson siblings were in Liverpool
I cannot find any Swanson living in Temperace Row in the 1901 or 1911 census except that in 1911 a 'Katy Cleare' was visiting number 28, this house number did not feature in 1901. Still trying to trace Swansons' and Cleares' in Wexford, I have heard Mary Cleare was an only child which was quite something in them days.
I have just unearthed a death for another James Swanson who died in Wexford 1879 aged 62 and I feel he maybe my GGG Grandfather, place of birth unknown, although family rumour has it they were sailors who came from Sweden, certainly his son was a mariner.
Anyway I have plenty of family info if there are Swansons out there who are related.
Regards,
Laura ;D
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I am delighted to report that at least some more of the Wexford Swanson descendants are alive and well, here on Merseyside today. As with Laura (with whom I am in contact) my wife is also descended from James Swanson, b.1854 in Wexford and his son also James, born in Wexford in 1884. They moved to Liverpool about 1890/92 based on the fact their son John was born in Wexford in 1888 and their next child, Sarah was born in Liverpool in 1892.
If only more Census records survived before the 1901 census, I feel sure we'd discover the Wexford Swansons were all part of the same family. As previously stated, the surname was uncommon in Ireland, while not so in Scotland where many families lived. Undoubtedly the name has Scandinavian origins which might not be surprising given the proximity of the Scottish 'highlands and islands' to Scandinavia and their common seafaring traditions.
Anyway, here's a photo of James Swanson (1854) taken in Liverpool about 1930, you never know, someone may see a family likeness(?) He'd have been about 76 in the photo, but lived until 1941 and the grand age of 87!!
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The Irish Civil Register, which only began in 1864, has records of Swanson Wexford, and might be worth a look.
http://www.familysearch.org/#form=advanced-records
Jack
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Thank you for your help Jack. Kind regards, Neil
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I am delighted to report that at least some more of the Wexford Swanson descendants are alive and well, here on Merseyside today. As with Laura (with whom I am in contact) my wife is also descended from James Swanson, b.1854 in Wexford and his son also James, born in Wexford in 1884. They moved to Liverpool about 1890/92 based on the fact their son John was born in Wexford in 1888 and their next child, Sarah was born in Liverpool in 1892.
Here is the Wexford Baptisim record for John Patrick Swanson b 21/06/1888 and Baptised the following day. It confirms that he later married a Clara Marr in Lverpool in 1914.
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I thought there were 2 Swanson families but I can see now there is only one. I am now trying to find Lizzie (or Eliza) the marriage for her.
It appears that Lizzie Swanson had an illegitimate child in 1914 when she would have been aged approx 16.
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I thought there were 2 Swanson families but I can see now there is only one. Just finding it strange that I cant find Bridget or my Great Grandmother Margaret. I would think you are right. Could be away in hospital etc. At least I know she was born in 1888 and died in 1972 as I remember that well.
A Bridget Swanson had an illegitimate child on 27/03/1911 which probably explains why she was not resident in the family home when the 1911 census was taken 6 days later.
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Dear 'Shorts'
Thank you so much for the update on John Patrick Swanson, with your help I've managed to confirm that John Patrick Swanson married Clara Marr (b.1892 in Liverpool, daughter of Edward Marr and Mary Murphy McConnell) They had three children, Margaret (1914) John James (1916-1932) and George (1918)
John Patrick died in Liverpool in June 1921 and Clara in June 1951
We are very grateful for your help, thank you,
Neil (aka 'Hereman')
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As with Laura (with whom I am in contact) my wife is also descended from James Swanson, b.1854 in Wexford and his son also James, born in Wexford in 1884. They moved to Liverpool about 1890/92 based on the fact their son John was born in Wexford in 1888 and their next child, Sarah was born in Liverpool in 1892.
It looks like there may have been at least one other child born between 1888 - 1892, William Baptised on 9th December 1889.
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Thank you once again, as far as I can tell James Swanson/Mary Clear had eight children, five of whom were born Wexford, Elizabeth (1881) James (1884 my wife's grandfather) Mary Anne (1886, Laura's G.Grandmother) John Patrick and William as you have pointed out. William married Elizabeth Martin in Liverpool also in 1914 and together had 8 children by 1932. James and Mary had three more children in Liverpool, Sarah (1892) Patrick (b.1894-d.1895) and George (b.1897)
There are more Swansons in Liverpool about this time and I suspect they will also have Wexford links, if so I would assume they are part of the wider family, though as yet the reason for the move isn't clear.
Again many thanks for your assistance.
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James Swanson/Mary Clear had eight children, five of whom were born Wexford, Elizabeth (1881) James (1884 my wife's grandfather) Mary Anne (1886, Laura's G.Grandmother) John Patrick and William as you have pointed out. William married Elizabeth Martin in Liverpool also in 1914 and together had 8 children by 1932. James and Mary had three more children in Liverpool, Sarah (1892) Patrick (b.1894-d.1895) and George (b.1897)
Here's the Wexford parish entry for the 1880 marriage of James & Mary and the 1884 Bapt entry for James.
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This is amazing, thank you so much for your help!! This the first time we had a confirmed date for the marriage of James and Mary, not to mention a baptism date for James (pictured below circa 1930)
I wonder do the parish records suggest father's names for James/Mary as we have no idea presently?
I assume it is possible to purchase marriage certificates from the relevant body in Eire in much the same way as here in the UK? Of course I assume that requires a reference number of some sort and again presume the certificate would be of similar format including bride and groom's father's name/occupation?
Once again we are so grateful for generous help. Kind Regards, Neil
PS Here's James Jnr
PPS While searching UK census records I found that in 1881 a John Swanson ( also a sailor) Wife, Mary, both born about 1853 'in Ireland' (though no details) with a one year old daughter Margaret (b. Ireland) were lodging with a 'Kenney' family in Liverpool and wondered in view of the small number of Swansons in Ireland generally, if these may have been related also?
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Hello Shorts
Thank you for that info on Lizzie Swanson. Her son in fact died a few weeks after being born. She married in 1915 but dont know who to ot if she had any more children. Bridget Swanson (my Grandmother) had her son Patrick who I knew well being my dads half brother. Bridget Swanson's father was called William. Cannot find his birth but was wondering if he is a brother of the James who was born in 1854. Have been looking at the posts of the Liverpool Swansons so could be related somewhere. Thank you for the info.
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Zakiemya10
Hello,
Having read your posts and having looked at the census records, I think I'm correct in saying that Bridget's father was Michael/William Swanson, that is Michael according to the 1901 record, living at 8, Furlong's Lane and as William in the 1911, now at number 5. His age suggesting a birth date about 1860(?) which does suggest he may well have been James' younger brother.
We do know that about 1886 when their daughter Mary Anne Swanson was born, James & Mary (Clear) lived in Temperance Row, Wexford and that James was a sailor.
As 'Shorts' has suggested the name Swanson was rare in Ireland, so the chances of two men with the same surname, of similar age living in the same town, not being related seems very unlikely.
I note that Michael/William is recorded as a 'quay labourer' in 1901 and though the transcription is unclear in 1911, I would suggest the entry suggests he was 'a fireman on a ship' in other words, a ship's stoker.
Coincidentally in the 1891 Census James is recorded as a 'dock labourer' in Liverpool, while in 1901 as 'an able seaman' and in 1910 (Son James' marriage certificate) as a 'mariner'.
Did William remain in Ireland after 1911 do you know?
Kind regards,
Neil
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Helle Hereman (Neil)
I dont know if he stayed in Wexford. My Dad never mentioned that he ever left. I do know he married a Margaret Whitmore in 1885 and my grandmother Bridget Swanson born in 1888.
My dad often said he was related to the Whitmores. I cannot find a death for him in Ireland but found one for his wife Margaret in 1925. What do you think? I know lots of men left ireland for England for work so I will have a look on relevant websites. Thanks for your help.
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Hi again!
I should have re-read all the posts and would have realised that it seems like Bridget's family stayed put in Ireland by the looks of it.
I also had a proper look at 'Jack's suggestion of checking out the Swanson line in Ireland on the Family.org site. A couple of interesting entries immediately hit the eye namely the birth of a John Swanson in Wexford in 1822 (died 1864 also in Wexford) A Bridget Swanson with a d.o.b. in 1817/death 1877 in Wexford, though of course she could have been a Swanson wife rather than a sibling.
There's also a James Swanson born in 1817 who died in 1879, this is the chap Laura suspects may be James' (1854) father. No place of birth for him but he died in Wexford.
My wife's ancestry is very much linked with Wexford, albeit in the case of both grandparents this followed their move to Liverpool. Her maternal G/grandfather was also from Co. Wexford- Matthew Hore (b1861 in Ballyfrory, Duncormick, Co.Wexford. Although he lived and worked in Liverpool many years he actually died while visiting Eniscorthy in 1960!! His wife, Ellen Redmond was born in Camolin, Wexford in 1866 and died in Liverpool in 1940.
They all started out in the (in)famous 'Scottie Road' district of Liverpool as did so many Irish families who settled there in this period.
Regards,
Neil (Hereman)
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Hi Neil
Is there any other web sites I can search as I cannot find William Swanson's birth or death only his wife in 1925.
I have tried family search with no luck, but then I am not very experienced. As you say he probably is related to your wife's swansons
but to find a birth for him would be good. My grandmother Bridget and my dad did say we have scandnavian heritage but they said they never had proof only hearsay.
Thanks for your help
Mary
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Is there any other web sites I can search as I cannot find William Swanson's birth or death only his wife in 1925.
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The FamilySearch BMD Index is the best source for civil records online.
Do you have an approximate year and place of birth for William ?
Shane
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Hi Mary,
I'm afraid though I've been researching family history since 1998, my knowledge of what's available 'on-line' for Irish records is almost non-existent.
UK mainland births, marriages and deaths, at least from 1837 onward are pretty well catered for with the 'Free BMD' site, indeed some counties now provide limited records also.
Again like you I've used the IGI a lot over the years, but it can be more to do with luck finding a likely 'suspect' rather than a definite 'relative'
To be honest before visiting this posting I'd made very little progress on the Irish side of our family and have much to thank you for starting it off and for 'Shorts' and others, most valuable input.
Sorry it's not much use I'm afraid.
Regards,
Neil
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Hi Shorts,
Thank you so very much for all your valuable information, I have not had full internet access during the past week, so although I have been able to see snippets I could not reply. So I just wanted to express my Thanks and let you no I haven't disapeared. I will be updating my tree based on yours and Hereman's work later on today. It goes without saying if I uncover anything I will share with you all. I'm hoping to make a trip to Wexford over bank holiday August, I want to view the church records too, I have had wonderful correspondance from the parish secretary and have the tel no. of the Sacristant in the parish. So if you have any record you want info on let me know and I will try and find your answer.
Best Wishes,
Laura :D
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Hello Shane
I was always led to believe that he was born in Wexford. I found one William Swanson born 1858 and died in Enniscorthy in 1937 probably the county home but the age is slight out. Maybe that could be him but I am going by the age on the census.
Regards
Mary
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If William was born in 1858 then his birth will not be in civil records (full registration started in 1864), so you would need to search for his baptism in parish records. Unfortunately neither IrishGenealogy or RootsIreland include any Co. Wexford records.
Deaths are not always easy to trace, and the certs dont give much details and can sometimes be difficult to confirm.
Shane
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Is this your William at Furlong's Lane in 1911 :
Swanson household (http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Wexford_No__2_Urban/Furlong_s_Lane/696948/)
According to this return his year of birth would be about 1861... so before civil registration started.
His occupation looks like 'Fireman on a S. Ship' - presumably steam Ship. Maybe he died at sea and away from home somewhere ?
The death you mentioned in 1937 looks to be the best fit - do you have the cert for this ?
The occupation might be a clue to help decide if this is the correct one or not
Shane
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Yes, it is him on the 1911 census as William but on the 1901 census it is Michael but all his children match so it is the right person.
Would there be baptism records for that time with details and do you know who I should contact.
Would it be Rowe St and Bride St churches?
Thanks for your help.
Mary
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I dont know about Wexford town contact details and which historic records might still be held locally .. will leave that to the local experts.
Parish records for the town go back to the 1670s with some gaps, and these are available in the National Library of Ireland in Dublin on Microfilms Pos 4252, 4253 and 4254.
Shane
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I wonder do the parish records suggest father's names for James/Mary as we have no idea presently?
I assume it is possible to purchase marriage certificates from the relevant body in Eire in much the same way as here in the UK? Of course I assume that requires a reference number of some sort and again presume the certificate would be of similar format including bride and groom's father's name/occupation?
I'm afraid there are no further details in these parish records.
You can request the marriage and or birth certs here: http://www.groireland.ie/apply_for_a_cert.htm
You don't need the reference no's etc just give as much detail as possible.
I obtained an 1888 marriage cert and the bride & groom fathers were named on it. I also obtained an 1888 birth cert - both gave the Wexford street names on them so you may be lucky.
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I'm hoping to make a trip to Wexford over bank holiday August, I want to view the church records too, I have had wonderful correspondance from the parish secretary and have the tel no. of the Sacristant in the parish.
Laura :D
Hope you enjoy your visit to Wexford, it’s a great little town to wander around. I prefer to arm myself with screen prints of the old OSI 1900 map to get a sense of the town as it was and it’s worth reading up on Nicky Rossiter’s posts and website before you go.
Rowe street sacristy holds the pre 1894 parish registers for the Town which are photcopies of the originals and newly bound. Both Bride St and Rowe St hold their own original post 1894 registers.
Pre book a microfilm viewer at the library if you want to view the burial registers for the old town cemeteries. You can get the key for these locked cemeteries from the Council building on the Cresent Quay.
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Shorts,
As ever many thanks for your assistance, will see what we might come up with.
Kind regards,
Neil (Hereman)
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as far as I can tell James Swanson/Mary Clear had eight children, five of whom were born Wexford, Elizabeth (1881) James (1884 my wife's grandfather) Mary Anne (1886, Laura's G.Grandmother) John Patrick and William as you have pointed out. William married Elizabeth Martin in Liverpool also in 1914 and together had 8 children by 1932. James and Mary had three more children in Liverpool, Sarah (1892) Patrick (b.1894-d.1895) and George (b.1897)
Baptism record for Mary Anne Swanson - born 28th March 1886
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My Dad never mentioned that he ever left. I do know he married a Margaret Whitmore in 1885 and my grandmother Bridget Swanson born in 1888.
My dad often said he was related to the Whitmores. I cannot find a death for him in Ireland but found one for his wife Margaret in 1925.
William Swanson married Margaret Whitmore on 25th July 1885 per the Bride Street church parish register. I'm not sure what the forename is for William's father. Looks like "Swain" !!
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Thank you for that info on Lizzie Swanson. Her son in fact died a few weeks after being born. She married in 1915 but dont know who to or if she had any more children.
Lizzie married Pierce Furlong on 9th July 1915. This is probably the Furlong's 1911 census record.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003617331/
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I cant thank you enough Shorts. I found a Swain Swanson on Family search (swanson spelt swainson) B 1813 died 1883. I would say thats him as he is down on Marriage cert as deceased.
I dont think I will find a birth for him.
Thanks also for the marriage on Lizzie Swanson married to Pierce Furlong. I was confused as I found a marriage for a John Kenny, same months and index numbers on family search which were the same for Lizzie Swanson, but you have confirmed it was a Pierce Furlong.
I find it confusing with all the numbers are the same as you cant match correctly.
Thank you so much for your help.
Zakiemya