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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: tammyward on Monday 18 April 11 04:59 BST (UK)
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I've been looking for the birth record of a John Warwick. I have his death certificate, which states that he was born in Staffordshire, England and says that he died 1 Feb 1882 at age 81, which would make his birth year about 1801. The certificate has his Father as William Warwick and say that John's religion was Church of England. It does not give his Mothers name which I am desperately searching for.
I realise that it is hard to find records so early in the 1800s, but if anyone is at the records office or library and has time could you possibly have a quick look for me, it will be greatly appreciated. Any advice you can give me on my search is also very much appreciated.
Tammy
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Tammy there were no births until 1837 only baptisms. I checked the IGI for a baptism for John in Staffordshire and there is nothing for him, not everyone was baptised and not all records have survived. There is a Marriage for William Warwick and Elizabeth Boulton 18.4.1785 St Michael Stone Staffordshire. HTH from Linell.
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Hi Tammy
I have found this record it is not in the Stafford area but it does match up to the marriage record that Linell found
John Warwick
14 Oct 1802 Bond St, Baptist Church Birmingham
Father William
Mother Elizabeth
Do you know if John had any siblings if he did try checking for there birth records
Margp
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Hi Tammy
I have found this record it is not in the Stafford area but it does match up to the marriage record that Linell found
John Warwick
14 Oct 1802 Bond St, Baptist Church Birmingham
Father William
Mother Elizabeth
Do you know if John had any siblings if he did try checking for there birth records
Margp
Hi Tammy did John marry if so who to
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Oh that's a great find MargP, looks very likely, as Baptists weren't baptised until they were adults. I have some ancestors from Bond Street Baptist Church, the records are held at Birmingham Record Office, would be worth having a look at, as the records have a lot of names and lists and other information. Linell.
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Hi Linell
I have looked on A******Y and there are a lot of people doing this tree and there so much conflicting information,I have looked at the census and there is one that looks promising for a William and Elizabeth the district is Handsworth Staffordshire but I think that this varied between Warwickshire so that could fit for the Baptist record.
Marg
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Linell and Marg,
Thank you both so much for replying.
I do not know if John had any siblings. John became a convict, he was tried in Warwick assizes and sent to Australia in 1824. He Married a woman named Jane McKenna in Port Maquarie, New South Wales and lived the rest of his life there. If John did have any Siblings I don't think they would have ended up in Australia.
Forgive me if I sound ignorant but as I am from Australia I don't know the Geographical make up of your Counties. Is Staffordshire near Warwickshire? and how far away is Birmingham from each of those locations? I know there is a line of Warwick's in Australia that did come from Warwickshire but I didn't think John came from that line.
The two of you have found some good information. The record of the Birth does match John. His Death certificate did say he was born in Staffordshire but it could easily be wrong. The Australian Bd&M records tend to get the dates right but the places wrong.
Thanks again for your help, you two are amazing. I've been having so much trouble with this line because all the records and information are in England and I can't find any websites that give much information.
Tammy
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Hi
Staffordshire adjoins Warwickshire: Birmingham was within the country of Warwickshire.
You may find this link - for the Birmingham and Midland Society for Genealogy and Heraldry - useful http://www.bmsgh.org/
BMSGH covers Staffordshire, Warwickshire and Worcestershire: the homepage has a map showing how the counties adjoin.
Cati
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Hi Tammy
Do you have a copy of the marriage certificate there may be some clues there
Marg
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This site may help https://www.familysearch.org/
Hi Tammy
I have found a marriage on this site for a William Warwick and Elizabeth Meadows
married 2 Feb 1800 St Martins Birmingham
Marg
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Thanks for the links Cati and Marg!
No Marg, I don't have the marriage certificate but I'll get it.
I accidentally wrote his wife as Jane McKenna (the wife of another John in my tree I'm also working on) but it's Margaret Molloy. I'm going to order John's convict record from the government, hopefully it has something useful in it.
I think the Marriage between a William Warwick and Elizabeth Meadows could very possibly be John's parents. The year fits perfectly. Do you know if Baptism records list the Mother's Maiden name?
Tammy
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Hi Tammy
The mother's maiden names are not usually on these records sometime you may come across the odd one, I have found a couple more records for John
UK Prison Hulk Register stating he was shipped to Australia on the ship the Retribution date received 15 May 1824 date convicted 27 March 1824 at Warwick.
England & Wales Criminal Reg
Date of Trial Lent 1824
Warwickshire
Sentence Death
If this is him he could have been pardoned the death sentence and chosen transportation
it may be a good idea to post on the Australian forum to see if any one there as received any convict records to see what information you get.
Marg
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Hi Tammy, parts of Birmingham are in Staffs and parts in Warwickshire. Baptist's Registered children's births, so his parents names would be listed in the archive, I doubt it would give his mother's name though. I would email Birmingham Archives and get them to search for 'Warwick' records from Bond Street, they can also send you a print out of William and Elizabeth's Marriage at St Martins, that is in the centre of the Bull Ring. The archives will charge, but being as you are in Australia, it will be well worth the cost, the email address is:-
archivesxheritage@birminghamxgovxuk
Linell.
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Thanks or the advice and link Linell. I will definitely contact the Birmingham Archives. I don't mind paying.
Marg, his Ticket of leave record says that he was sent to Australia on the Ship Minerva.
http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/searchhits.aspx?table=Convict Index&id=65&frm=1&query=Surname:Warwick;Firstname:John
Tammy
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Hi Tammy
The Retribution looks like an holding ship before he was transported
The set of Prison Hulk Registers and Letter Books dates from 1802 to 1849 and includes the records of almost 200,000 people incarcerated in giant floating prison ships. The collection includes details of each inmate's name, age, the year and place of their conviction and the offence that they allegedly committed, as well as character reports written by prison officers. The hulks, moored on the Thames and in Plymouth Harbour, became an increasingly common form of internment as efforts were made to ease chronic overcrowding in conventional prisons. Each ship held between 200 and 300 inmates and, although many of its passengers were awaiting transportation to Australia, the hulks themselves had been extensively modified and were unable to go to sea. Conditions were often appalling, and one in three inmates are estimated to have died on board. The second newly-available collection features records of more than 4,000 female convicts who were granted parole between 1853 and 1877. Although sentenced to imprisonment or transportation, the lack of space in prison meant they were allowed to walk free.
The set can be searched by the criminal's name, the place and date of their conviction and their estimated age. Images of the records are also available, which feature a range of further details including the apparent crime, terms of sentence, reports on prison behaviour, any letters written by the prisoner and a physical description.
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Thanks for the information Marg. I had no idea about the prison hulks, it is extremely interesting. Do you have a link for the UK Prison Hulk Register records?
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Good morning Tammy I will send you a private message about these records shortly
Marg
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Hi I am a direct decendant of Jonh Warwick, convict from the Minerva through my Grandmothers side.
My father started the Warwick family history in the early 1970s. He had a search done in Birmingham & surrounds at that time & came up with a few possibilities. However he deducted it was William Warwick & Mary Westbury. Though I have read elsewhere his parents were John Warwick & Elizabeth Lions.
Ian Murrell