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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: newport1 on Friday 15 April 11 03:11 BST (UK)
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I found out that I was on the wrong track looking for my grandmother.
Someone suggested that the marriage might be between John Rigby and Rose Hannah Hulme but I found out that the marriage I was looking for was actually in Prescot in 1894 between John Rigby and Rose Anna Burns. I checked out with what I found in the 1911 census information about my family and I know I have now found the right person.
I can't find her record of birth on FreeBMD so can anyone suggest what to do now. As you can tell I'm new at this!
Joyce
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Hi
Previous topic
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=526648.new;topicseen
Andy
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Hiya Joyce...lan-opc has the marriage and gives their age as well...but it WASN`T in Prescot...it was in Sutton, which came under Prescot register office at the time
10th nov 1894 at St Nicolas , Sutton,Lancashire
John Rigby aged 21 a warehouseman Bachelor of 10 Prescott street , Sutton
Rose Anna Burns aged 24 a spinster of 16 Prescott street ,Sutton
grooms father James Rigby a warehouseman
brides father Owen Burns a labourer
witness Frederick Rigby Mary Ellen Ellison
married by M F Binney Vicar
so that tells us that unless John Rigby was born 11th nov to 31st dec ...he was born in 1873 and looks like he had a brother Frederick...1881 census needed now....with father James and sons John and Frederick...
Rose Anna Burns ...father OWEN Burns...possibly Welsh ?
so Rose Anna Burns born 1869/70...again - we need to find her with father Owen in 1881 census
allan
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Sutton is in St Helens ...google Sutton Colliery and you will see where it is on a map ....
in 1881 census
there is this...but...it says head is a widow...there is the chance Owen had left home and Ellen stated she was a widow ???...
Ellen Burns aged 43 Widow Hardware dealer b St Helens (hardware dealer - Warehouseman as Johns job ? )
Robert aged 23 son Geni Clerk b St Helens.....they are ALL born St Helens
Mary Ellen aged 21 ass Hardware dealer
Catherine aged 18 dom serv
ROSE ANN BURNS aged 10 scholar
Daniel aged 7
James aged 5
Winifred aged 3
so ...let me check on lan-opc for any of these childrens babtisms ...and if their parents are Owen and Ellen Burns , I would say this is the family....allan
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A possible in 1891 with a father Owen?
RG12/3024/43/3 - 59 Ashcroft St, Parr, St Helens, Lancs
Owen BURNS Head 50 Gen Labourer b. Co. Sligo, Ireland
Ellen BURNS Wife 53 b.(?)Luaston, Kerry, Ireland
Peter BURNS Son 27 Coal Miner b. St Helens
Rose Anna BURNS Dau 20 Domestic Servant b. St Helens
William Owen BURNS Son 17 Coal Miner b. St Helens
Catherine BURNS Dau 13 Scholar b. St Helens
John J BURNS Son 7 Scholar b. St Helens
Robert WINSTANLEY Visitor 7 Scholar b. St Helens
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1881 census
60 Ramford street ,Parr,Lancashire (St Helens )
James Rigby head aged 39 born Sutton Glass Polisher
Ann wife aged 39 b Sutton Glass polisher
William 18 b Sutton glass polisher
Thomas 16 b Sutton glass polisher
Mary Ellen aged 13 b Sutton
Sarah Ann aged 11 b Sutton
FREDERICK aged 9 b Sutton
JOHN aged 6 b Sutton
Elizabeth aged 4 b Sutton
Esther aged 2 b Parr
James aged 1 b Parr
this looks very likely for your John Rigbys family
allan :)
just read your post Rambler...an excellent find ...allan
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Aha...thats why
www.lancashirebmd.org.uk
1871 ROSEANNA Burns ...St Helens ....St Helens .... SH/91/27 ......her christian names is registered as all one name
that`s probably why you couldn`t find her Joyce
allan ;)
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After a bit of imaginative searching.....
1871
RG10/3866/60/34 - Parr (?)Stock, St Helens, Lancs
Owen O BURN Head 33 Alkali Lab b. Ireland (Surname is hard to read and looks like BEIRNE, with the O so close it could be part of the surname.)
Ellen BURN Wife 34 b. Ireland
Bryan BURN Son 10 b. Parr
Peter BURN Son 8 b. Parr
Mary E BURN Dau 6 b. Parr
(?)Beza BURN Dau 4 b. Parr
Johanna BURN Dau 2 b. Parr
Rosanna BURN Dau 5 months b. Parr
Births Jun 1871
BURNS Roseann
Prescott 8b 585
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Interesting!
1861
RG9/2753/36/65 - Fleet Lane, Parr, Lancs
Ellen O'BRIEN Head Unmarried 22 No occupation b. Ireland
Bryan O'BRIEN Son 1 month b. Parr
Marriages Dec 1860
O'BRIEN Ellen
O'BURN Owen
Prescot 8b 863
So a name change from O'BURN to BURNS?
And another possiblility for Rosanna's birth, which actually matches her age in 1871 better...
Births Dec 1870
O'BURN Roseanna
Prescott 8b 624
Going through the children's births, they seem to be registered as a mix of O'BRIEN, O'BYRNE, and O'BURN, just to make things complicated... ::)
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Ha Ha ...can you imagine being a vicar /registrar /census adjudicator ,talking to a husband and wife ...one from Sligo and one from Kerry...I`ll bet no-one could understand a word they said....probably why the name changed willy nilly..........anyway...between us I think Joyce will be happy with the outcome....cheers...allan :)
ADDED...from the info you have posted Rambler...do you think the witness at the marriage
Mary Ellen Elison would be nee Mary Ellen Burns....Rose Annas sister...now married ?
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FindMyPast has the father from 1881 census transcribed as Oliver Beirns!
No wonder I had trouble finding him!! :(
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do you think the witness at the marriage
Mary Ellen Elison would be nee Mary Ellen Burns....Rose Annas sister...now married ?
I think it might be John's sister from the census you posted:
Marriages Dec 1890
ELLISON William
RIGBY Mary Ellen
Prescot 8b 1001
(Not on Lancs BMD unfortunately.)
Sister Johnanna marries as BYRNES, by the way, so there's another variation! ::)
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1881
RG11/3738/69/39 - Fleet Lane, Parr, Lancs
Owen O'BEIRNE Head 42 Alkali Lab b. Ireland
Ellen O'BEIRNE Wife 43 b. Ireland
Patrick B O'BEIRNE Son 20 Rolling Mills Lab b. Parr
Peter O'BEIRNE Son 18 Colliery Lab b. Parr
Mary O'BEIRNE Dau 16 None b. Parr
Bridget O'BEIRNE Dau 14 None b. Parr
Johanna O'BEIRNE Dau 13 Scholar b. Parr
Rosanna O'BEIRNE Dau 10 Scholar b. Parr
Owen O'BEIRNE Son 8 Scholar b. Parr
Catherine O'BEIRNE Dau 3 b. Parr
The image is a bit clearer than 1871 and really does look like O'Beirne.
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Thank you so much for all your searches! It's brought up more results than I expected - brilliant!
Joyce from Oz
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When I looked in Freebmd for a James Rigby born around 1842 there were quite a few of that name born in the area where he lived later on so it's hard to know which one was my ancestor!
Joyce
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I guess I would need to go on the Irish thread for Sligo to find more information about Owen O' Beirne who was born there around 1838.
Thank you for finding the information about where Rose Anna's father was born.
Joyce
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New thread on Sligo board for Owen O'Beirne-
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,527215.msg3819512.html
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I did find out that James Rigby's father was Raymond Ward and his mother was Mary Dixon. They were married in 1859 and both were born in 1841 in Bolton.
I can't seem to go any further back with this one!
Joyce from Oz
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Sorry but the information on my last post related to another branch of my family William Ward - not James Rigby! It was meant for another thread!
Joyce