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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Suffolk => Topic started by: ramzy2 on Wednesday 13 April 11 09:36 BST (UK)
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has any one any information on a george e arkwell (b1873) in shotley suffolk ?
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hi the only george arkwell that appears is in 1901, he was born in 1872 in harwich suffolk he is living with his wife ellen who was born in 1872 in brighlingsea essex, he was a house painter and she was a cook, now living in sussex eastbourne
kerry
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hi the only george arkwell that appears is in 1901, he was born in 1872 in harwich suffolk he is living with his wife ellen who was born in 1872 in brighlingsea essex, he was a house painter and she was a cook, now living in sussex eastbourn
thanks he is not my granddad my g/dad was married in 1913 to frances elizabeth pilfold on his army enlistment papers he gives the place of birth as parish of shotley near ipswich .
kerry
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Can you tell us all the information you already have about him?
I see from your latest post that you have a wife's name and year of marriage - what else have you got?
Remember 1881 census is free to search - have you found him on there?
If you have his marriage - have you found his fathers name from the marriage cert?
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Strange
the 1913 marriage fro George E Arkwell is as follows (from FreeBMD)
Jan/Feb/Mar 1913
Lewes Sussex ref 2b 331
George E Arkwell to Mary E Johnson
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Hi Ramzy, and welcome to RootsChat!
Where did your grandparents marry?
The only marriage I can see on the GRO index for 1913 is between George E ARKWELL and Mary Elizabeth JOHNSON. (Mar Q, Lewes 2b 331)
This is probably the same George E ARKWELL who died Mar Q 1938 aged 65. (Lewes 2b 288)
However, George Ernest ARKWELL of Lewes (aged 42) gives his wife as "Frances E" on his WW1 pension documents in 1914. ???
There is no obvious birth registration in the GRO index, and no George Arkwell on census except the one Kerry found, unless he's hiding under a very bad transcription or something! Iis it possible that he was married twice? He would have been 40+ when he married in 1913, so it's not impossible.
Added: post crossed with lizb!
Rambler
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Do you have (or can you get sight of) a birth cert for one of his children? If he was a granparent, then it should be one of your parents!
If so, what mothers maiden name does it give? Indeed, what mothers name altogether.
Also - interesting he was George Ernest, I did see a marriage for a George Edward in 1900 in Warwickshire, but I can now ignore that!
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Hi,
There are 28 pages of records for a George Ernest Arkwell bc 1873 Shotley Ipswich in the Army Service Records on FindMyPast. Lots to go through and not convinced they are all Georges (looks like Ashwell in later ones but i might be wrong)
Lots of similar clues, Eastbourne, Lewes, mother Emily Arkwell, wife Frances Eliza as given by Manchester rambler.
The address of mother points to 1901 census Rg13/879 20/31 ( she possibly remarried) with possible siblings and half siblings for George Ernest.
Working backwards George could possibly be Ernest on the 1881 census
Rg11/1037 32/25
Strange about the marriages though.
Cathy
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A thoroughly unhelpful possibility: ::)
Births Mar 1873
ARKWELL Male
Woodbridge 4a 710
However, Woodbridge registration district covers Felixstowe, and I think that's where George's parents are recorded in 1871:
RG10/1758/23/4 - Felixstowe
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William HARKWELL 28 Gunner Royal Artillery b. Cirencester, Gloucs
Emily HARKWELL 22 Gunner's Wife b. Eastbourne
Alfred W HARKWELL 3 mo Gunner's Son b. Harwich, Essex
This matches the 1881 family with "Ernest".
("Alfred" is registered as William Alfred ARKWELL, Dec Q 1870, Tendring 4a 269.)
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ARKWELL
William Alfred born 21 December 1870, bp. 22 January 1871 Harwich parents William and Emily.
George Ernest born 21 December 1872 bp. 13 March 1873 at Shotley,
Annie Rose born 20 January 1875 bp. 14 March 1875 Eastbourne
This from the Army records of his father.
Jebber
P. S. Gunner William ARKWELL b. and Emily CATT sp. married 26 Aprl 1870 at St. Mary, Eastbourne.
Wits. William STONELAKE & Emily STONELAKE
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Hmm..
Marriage JAS 1890 Tendring
William Alfred Arkwell same page Ellen Martha Orman
1891 census Rg12/1407 37/44
Ellen Arkwell head m 20 Brightlingsea, Essex.
Living with some more married ladies at 2, Fairfax road, St Giles.
Gets curiouser and curiouser!
Cathy
ps. ramzy2 , apologies for army info, i see you have details already and lovely photo on family tree on Ancestry.
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Can you tell us all the information you already have about him?
I see from your latest post that you have a wife's name and year of marriage - what else have you got?
Remember 1881 census is free to search - have you found him on there?
If you have his marriage - have you found his fathers name from the marriage cert?
as far as i know .
Birth:1873, shotley Suffolk, England. as on his enlistment papers he joined th the royal field arttiary at 14.11 months in 1887 until he had accident with a gun carrage
with a busted leg t
Lived In (Residence):6 Castle Bank, Lewes; 6 Castle Banks, Lewes.
Death:1938, Lewes, Sussex, England.
Family Members:Spouse:frances johnson, Children:Frances E Arkwell, Agnes G Arkwell, emily grace arkwell, percival victor arkwell, ethel audrey arkwell, george ernest arkwell, harry douglas arkwell, charity kathleen arkwell.
Marriage:1913, Sussex, East Sussex, my mother was ethel a arkwell b1913
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Hi Ramzy, and welcome to RootsChat!
Where did your grandparents marry?
The only marriage I can see on the GRO index for 1913 is between George E ARKWELL and Mary Elizabeth JOHNSON. (Mar Q, Lewes 2b 331)
This is probably the same George E ARKWELL who died Mar Q 1938 aged 65. (Lewes 2b 288)
However, George Ernest ARKWELL of Lewes (aged 42) gives his wife as "Frances E" on his WW1 pension documents in 1914. ???
There is no obvious birth registration in the GRO index, and no George Arkwell on census except the one Kerry found, unless he's hiding under a very bad transcription or something! Iis it possible that he was married twice? He would have been 40+ when he married in 1913, so it's not impossible.
Added: post crossed with lizb!
Rambler
yes as far as i know they married in lewes all the kids were baptised in st johns sub castro church lewes just down the road from were they live
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Here he is as Ernest with his parents in 1881.
RG11 piece 1037 folio 32 page 25 Crown Lane, Eastbourne
ARKWELL, William Head Married M 48 1833 Bricklayers Labourer Gloucester Gloucestershire
ARKWELL, Emily Wife Married F 31 1850 Willingdon Sussex
ARKWELL, Alfred Son Single M 10 1871 Scholar Harwich Essex
ARKWELL, Ernest Son Single M 8 1873 Scholar Landgard Suffolk
ARKWELL, Anne Daughter Single F 6 1875 Scholar Eastbourne Sussex
ARKWELL, Agnes Daughter Single F 3 1878 Scholar Eastbourne Sussex
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thanks i was thinking ernest of langard was but the george ernest was putting me off. now to try and sort out the confusion about my g/mother
i have my g/mothers birth certificate she was born on the 10th march 1890
father was george johnson mother was a eliza johnson (nee pilfold)
born in lewes died in lewes 1961 .
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Landguard is an area of Felixstowe, just across the estuary from Shotley.
http://www.landguard.com/
Pat ...
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I think I have made an error with my first post on this chatroom. My username should read unclepom not ramzy2 ! ramzy2 had posted some info on a relative of mine, he was my grandfather.
My mother was his eldest daughter Frances Elizabeth Scott nee Arkwell. I apologize for the lack of knowledge on how to use this site but will persevere if allowed.
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sorry so long getting back
my mother's name is Ethel arkwell
George is my grand dad to
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There are several mentions of George Arkwell and members of his family (Percy, Emny) in the diary of Mrs Henry Dudeney who lived Lewes. She owned the houses on Castle Banks. A Lewes Diary 1916 -1944. Def. The same one.
Hope this helps :)