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Has anyone any info on Henry Strain born in Bangor Newtownards 5/9/1874 married to sarah mawhinney born 12/10/1869, sarah mother Elizabeth mawhinney, father William mawhinney. Henry father Robert Strain, mother Eliza Heyburn . They are known to have lived in Newtownards CO Down.
I am trying to trace relatives of my father who is George Strain born 1915 in Ardrossan.
The above are his mother and father.
Any info would be very welcome as we seem to have come to a standstill. Many thanks
Doublecherry
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Have you found Henry in 1901 or 1911 census yet? If so. please post the links
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Thanks for your reply
I have found henry and family in 1911 ireland census
Wife..Sarah
daughter..Henrietta born 17/08/1907 died 13/03/1923
daughter... Sadie born 22/11/1908 died 13/03/1932
son..Joseph born 27/11/1910 died 3/2/1934
My father George was born 1915 so not on the census
I am trying to trace Henrys siblings. may have been an Annie and a Margaret
Manythanks
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some possible siblings to Henry from the extracted records on familysearch :
Margaret Strain / 23 Oct 1871 / Bangor, Down / Ref.: 826
Elizabeth Strean / 23 Apr 1873 / Co. Down
(Henry)
[male] Strain / 17 Jan 1876 / Newtownards, Co. Down
Harriet Strean / 22 May 1877 / Ballyfotherly, Co. Down
Parents for the above : Robert Strain/Strean & Eliza/Elsie Heyburn
see Strain/Heyburn children (https://www.familysearch.org/search/search/index/record-search-advanced#searchType=records&filtered=true&fed=true&collectionId=1584963&advanced=true&givenName=&surname=Strain&eventType=any&eventLocation=&eventYearFrom=&eventYearTo=&relationship=parents&fatherFirst=&fatherLast=&motherFirst=&motherLast=Heyburn)
Shane
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thank you for your info , we are still hoping to get info and siblings of eliza heyburn and any extended family
many thanks
doublecherry :D :D
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there's a possible match for the marriage of Robert and Eliza - a cert would allow you to check if it's the correct family, and show more details, such as father's names, occupations etc :
Name: Robert Straine
Registration district: Newtownards
Event type: Marriage
Year: 1870
Volume: 16 / Page: 1053
Name: Elizabeth Heyburn
[same references as Robert]
see : Details included on a Marriage Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433042.0.html)
Shane
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Hi,
Robert Straine married Elizabeth Heyburn in Bangor Church of Ireland on 18 Oct 1870. Fathers were William Straine and Samuel Heyburn.
Regards
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thank you for info
doublecherry :D
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Thank you ShaneW147 for your info it was very helpful I have contacted Newtownards reistrary office with
info re marriage certificate
many thanks
Doublecherry
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Hi Doublecherry
Henry's siblings were Margaret,Elizabeth,Samuel and Harriet Forsythe Strain. Henry's father was married previously to Mary Smith who died in 1865. So he also has 8 half siblings.
Send me a PM with you email address and I will give you all the details I have.
Regards Dee.
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thank you for info i have sent you my email address look forward to recieving info from you
many thanks
doublecherry :D :D :D
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Eliza Strain died in workhouse Newtonards in 1906. Where would I find any info on records from the workhouse and also of Bullys Acre Newtonards, where she may have been buried.
Do you know the location of Bullys Acre? It sound a very sad place.
Thank you
Doublecherry
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Workhouse records probably in PRONI, Belfast- you can check their e-catalogue for holdings although documents under 100-years might be restricted**
Google finds lots of details- here are just 2 examples using "bully's acre newtownards"-
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=c3a15070-5e9d-4da3-a1d5-202812c1229a
http://www.derek-beattie.comxa.com/corry-street.htm
** although the death you are interested in occurred in 1906 (and admission could be a number of years earlier) there are likely other more recent records in the same volume(s) which might cause the records you want to be restricted. PRONI staff are generally very helpful so if you find the information isn't readily available then send them an email with a query (giving as much detail as possible).
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Thank you for info which hopefully will be helpful. Eliza was on the 1901 census staying in Ballyhay so must have gone into workhouse after that date . I will try PRONI.
Many thanks
Doublecherry
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Do you know the cause of death? it may be that she was admitted to the infirmary only a short while before she died.
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She died from cancer of the rectum which she seems to have had for 18mths according to death certificate. A apparently if someone died in the workhouse the council do not keep records. I hope to go and visit the area in 2 wks time when I visit Ireland.
Thank you
Doublecherry
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➢ There is a Strain family tree in the Blackwood Family History manuscript trees Collection in the LinenHall library, Belfast. My advice is visit yourself if possible, giving them time to have the volumes available, however as is more likely you may live abroad I suggest you ask them for photocopying estimates only if they think your knowledge relevant and be prepared to pay the extra for post and packing if you are tempted. “The Library welcomes all research enquiries, whether made in person, by phone, fax, letter or e-mail. Enquiries from members will be answered free of charge. Visitors from afar, and in particular those engaged in serious research projects, are recommended to make prior contact with the Library to ensure that they receive the best possible service. More complex enquiries should be made by letter, fax, or e-mail. Enquiries of this kind from within the British Isles will normally be answered free of charge, apart from any copying and postage charges. A minimum charge of £2 will normally be made in respect of overseas enquiries. A4 photocopies b&w are 20p. The Library may be able to assist those with more extensive research requirements on terms subject to negotiation with the Librarian. Contact the Library for further information on info[at]linenhall.com or Telephone 028 9032 1707. Their address is The Linen Hall Library,17 Donegall Square North, Belfast BT15GB, Northern Ireland, see their website for contact details or use Email:info[at]linenhall.com.
➢ The volume reference is 91
➢ Hoping this is includes new information for you
➢ good luck, Jim
ps However if the material is really relevant when you get it, I suggest a further donation to this unique library that is always needing extra funds.
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Thank you Jim for this info. I will phone the library this week. I am in Scotland.
Doublecherry
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Hi Doublecherry, Have you used http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/S/Str.htm apparently over 100 references to newtownards on the Strain data page.
Examples
Mrs. . STREAN . Newtownards deceased; tribute from Dr Forbes 26 Dec 1891 NC
Cecil STRAIN . Newtownards of Loughriscouse ; a joiner ; son of Robert Strain (deceased ); married Sarah Orr of Ballygrangee 8 Jun 1921 at Ballyblack Presbyterian Church, witnesses were Hugh Orr & Hannah McKeag PR
Turning to Bullys acre
In 1848, Newtownards Board of Guardians [for the Workhouse] received complaints from the various parish authorities that their graveyards were filling up with pauper dead from the workhouse. [ie the famine] As a result, the Board bought an acre of ground from Lord Londonderry in the townland of Milecross to be used as a burial ground for the paupers in 1850. This is the area known as Bully’s Acre. Source http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=c3a15070-5e9d-4da3-a1d5-202812c1229a
Ros Davies has a map of the townland.
See also http://www.workhouses.org.uk/bullysacre/ This is about Other Workhouse graveyards being turned into development sites!
Also http://scrabopower.wordpress.com/about/
Gary Dempsey says:
November 11, 2008 at 2:47 pm
I was reading your blog and came across the term Bully’s Acre Boys – and then noticed that you grew up in Newtownards. I am currently writing a paper on the term Bully’s Acre and would be interested to hear about any memories that you have of the site in newtownards .
Summing it up it is currently an open public amenity area in Milecross.
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Have you used http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/S/Str.htm apparently over 100 references to newtownards on the Strain data page.
Examples
Mrs. . STREAN . Newtownards deceased; tribute from Dr Forbes 26 Dec 1891 NC
Cecil STRAIN . Newtownards of Loughriscouse ; a joiner ; son of Robert Strain (deceased ); married Sarah Orr of Ballygrangee 8 Jun 1921 at Ballyblack Presbyterian Church, witnesses were Hugh Orr & Hannah McKeag PR
Turning to to Bullys acre
In 1848, Newtownards Board of Guardians for the Workhousereceived complaints from the various parish authorities that their graveyards were filling up with pauper dead from the workhouse. [ie the famine] As a result, the Board bought an acre of ground from Lord Londonderry in the townland of Milecross to be used as a burial ground for the paupers in 1850. This is the area known as Bully’s Acre. Source http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=c3a15070-5e9d-4da3-a1d5-202812c1229a
Ros Davies has a map of the townland.
See also http://www.workhouses.org.uk/bullysacre/ This is about Other Workhouse graveyards being turned into development sites!
Also http://scrabopower.wordpress.com/about/
Gary Dempsey says:
November 11, 2008 at 2:47 pm
I was reading your blog and came across the term Bully’s Acre Boys – and then noticed that you grew up in Newtownards. I am currently writing a paper on the term Bully’s Acre and would be interested to hear about any memories that you have of the site in newtownards .
You could try an email to tourism@ards-council.gov.uk but I couldn’t find it listed on their parks etc
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calendar of wills and administrations 1858 1922 has 8 pages for the strain name including some roberts.
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Thank you for all your info .I will try all the links.
My family all grew up in Newtonards and surrounding areas . My grandfather came to Scotland to live. I had never heard of Bullys Acre till I phoned the Ards Council looking for info. We are coming over to Bangor in two weeks time and are hoping to find lots of info re my ancesters.
I would be pleased to see what you manage to find out about Bullys Acre as it sounds a very sad place to end up.
Regards
Doublecherry
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I am still trying to find info on Eliza Heyburn born ? 1838 and died 1906. Her father was Samuel Heyburn a seaman in Groomsport. I would also like to find siblings. Ann Heyburn was a witness at her wedding to Robert Strain 1870 at the Parish church in Bangor.
Thanks
Doublecherry