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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: soapy1 on Thursday 07 April 11 09:45 BST (UK)
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Hi,
All I know is that my great grandfather Samuel came from Ireland as a baby. Born around 1860.His parents were John Beresford, born 1827 and mother Helen Jane Beresford nee Gemmell born 1830, both born in ireland. My parents and other older relations are now dead so can't tell me anything. i've just been digging around. My mother used to tell me that brothers came over, and think his name was William. They settled in a village called Glenmavis, by Airdrie, Lanarkshire Scotland.
does any of this ring a bell with anyone?
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Hi Soapy1
Welcome to RootsChat :)
Not easily seeing the family's 1871 census entry, but is this them in 1881 in New Monkland:
John Beresford 54, labourer b. Ireland
Mary Gamble 54, sister in law b. Ireland
Samuel Beresford 22 coal miner b. Ireland
Thomas Beresford 15 Apprentice Blacksmith b. Glasgow
This looks like a possible birth for Thomas on IGI:
Thomas BERRISFIELD b. 23 April 1865 in Springburn, Lanarkshire, parents John BERRISFIELD and Helen Jane GAMBELL
The birth cert for Thomas should show date and place of parents' marriage (this information was included from around 1863 on Scottish births certs). It may give you a clue as to where in Ireland the family may have come from.
Monica :)
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On IGI here www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true, there are entries for the births of some of the children to John and Helen (Ellen Jane), under the surname of Berrisfield:
1. Hugh Berrisfield b. 26 March 1851 Skeagh Dromore, Down, Ireland - actual extract from records
2. Samuel John Berrisfield b. 6 March 1859 Skeagh Dromore, Down, Ireland - actual extract from records
3. Eliza Ann Scott Doake Berrisfield b. 13 MAR 1861 Skeagh Dromore, Down, Ireland - submitted entry
There is a submitted entry for parents marriage on 12 April 1850 in Dromore, Co. Down.
Monica
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1871 now, as transcribed. The original image would help to confirm the details:
John Benisfield 45 b. Ireland
Max Benisfield 45, sister b. Ireland
Hugh Benisfield 20 b. Ireland
John Benisfield 18 b. Ireland
William Benisfield 16 b. Ireland
Samuel Benisfield 12 b. Ireland
Mary H Benisfield 7 b. Glasgow
Thomas Benisfield 5 b. Glasgow
Address: Airdrie & Gartmillan Rd West Side Of Glenmavis
Daughter Mary's birth entry shows on IGI under the spelling of BARRASFIELD, b. 5 July 1863 in the High Church area of Glasgow.
Mother Helen's (Ellen) death entry would likely show on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk between 1865-71? This should include her parents' names to let you work back a generation for her. Father John's death cert, if he remained in Scotland, should also give you the info you need to work back on his line.
Monica
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Monica, thanks...those are the correct Beresfords, but as far as i know there were 2 lots in Glenmavis, where i came from. There was a John Beresford who was a pipe major, who had a son of the same name. They were my mum's cousins.
My gran married a John Nathaniel Burnett.
She had quite a few brothers and sisters..Helen Jane (ka Nell), John, Daniel, Bella (probably Isabella), Samuel, Jessie Bell Watson.
My gran always stayed in Glenmavis as did my mum until she died.
Trouble is Biblical names were very popular so different branches of the same family used them.
I don't much paperwork...the things I had were stolen a long time ago.
Funny thing is that they never spoke about Irish side!!
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Hi Soapy
Looks like you have start from the begining again (although not quite the beginning as you already have lots of info) and document your research along the way.
Is this your gran with family in 1901 in Glenmavis:
Samuel Beresford 41, coal miner
Elizabeth Beresford 44 b. Scotland (well, that doesn't help!)
Bella Beresford 18
John Beresford 16
Daniel Beresford 14
Ellen J Beresford 12
Elizabeth R Beresford 10
Hugh G Beresford 8
Samuel Beresford 6
Jessie B W Beresford 2
Perhaps your mum's cousins were children of the John Beresford who shows above in 1901 aged 16?
Monica
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The family in 1891 in Glenmavis:
Samuel Beresford 30 coal miner b. Ireland
Elisabith Beresford 31 b. Airdrie
Bella Beresford 8
John Beresford 6
Daniel Beresford 4
Ellen Jane Beresford 1
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yes
Monica, that's my family alright...I signed up at ancestry so got back to John Beresford being born in Ireland. but nothing else.
Just found it odd that none of the irish ones were ever mentioned but it might just be a 'village' thing.
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My gran is Elizabeth R Beresford. Her mother was Elizabeth Russell. We're all Elizabeth's!!
Just tring to get a hint where in Ireland they came from
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The hints are probably in the birth records showing on IGI in Dromore, Down, Ireland. Have you managed to confirm John and Ellen Jane's parents' names from their death certs? It is probably the next stage for you. There does look to be a possible marriage also in 1850 from the LDS pilot site here http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=home
John Berrisfield (father John) and Ellen Jane Gamble (aged 20, father Hugh) married on 12 april 1850. Regsitration district given as Bambridge Vol.2 pg.462
Monica
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From the pilot site, there is a birth for a Jean Gamble in 1845 in Dronmore, Down, parents Hugh and Jane, as a possible sibing (and mother's name) to Helen.
Her death cert and confirmation of her parents from that should hopefully let you work back with more confirmed details.
Monica
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Thanks again!! That's given me more clues...also trying to find my grandfather's family. They are Burnetts from Middlebie, Annan etc. I could find a bit more about them, but because of the Irish connection it's cold. Also no-one left to ask!!
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See you have now posted on the Dumfries-shire board here on RC regarding your grandfather - good place to start :)
Monica
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I thought so too. I hope to hear from there too. thanks for your help
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Hello soapy,
Im a Beresford from Airdrie who stumbled across this post by accident.
I have been researching my mothers side (non Beresford) of the family and after a few years Ive temp hit a wall with it.... anyway, last night I was given lots of old birth/marriage/death certificates for the Beresford side of the family. And an hour ago I started the base of my Beresford tree.
Only 12 peeps listed so far.... they include:
Hugh Gemmell Beresford (great grandfather)
John Beresford (grandfather)
John Beresford (father)
All the above are from Airdrie, so I may be able to help....... altho like I said, I am literally an hour into the Beresford trace 8)
Oh and also - just at a glance.... Samuel you mention i think is my fathers uncle (*think*) - I know Sammys wife was still alive and living in Coatbridge, she was quite elderly (I also know Sammys daughter lives close by her)
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John Berrisfield, son of John, married 12 Apr.1850 Banbridge registration district (volume 2 page 462) to Ellen Jane Gamble**, age 20, daughter of Hugh.
** note: Ellen was used in Ireland while the other form of the name Helen was more common in Scotland. Gamble and Gemmell are variations of the same surname.
See here for details included on Irish marriage certificates (not as much detail as Scottish certificates) and how to order them (I've included the reference details you'll need)-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433042.0.html
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Unbelievable!!!
Thanks both of you.
I come from Glenmavis originally, where Hugh etc were all brought up. My gran and mum also stayed there all their days.
My gran was Hugh Beresford's sister Eliz ( k/a Lizzie) who was married to John Burnett. he came from the Borders area originally.
The info from Ireland is fantastic.
I've certainly got a lot more leads to take up
Thanks again
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nice one - my wife is from Glenmavis, small world.
I hit a wall with the other side of my family tree - got back to 1811 in Ireland, can't get any further..... :(
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I am very much interested in the Beresford's from Coatbridge family tree. I also know very little about my family as we never kept in touch. My father is * Beresford and he was born *. His father was Samuel Beresford and his mother died when he was a child and he has a sister called *. His father married again and they had
* Beresford
* Beresford
* Beresford
All of I believe still live in Coatbridge airdrie area. Can anyone confirm if my grandfather Samuel Beresford is related to the ones from Ireland?
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Hi Dazredsetter,
I'm not too sure about Coatbridge ones...though at a funeral I attended I was told that I am. As i understand it, three brothers came over from Co Down. My GGGrandfather was called Samuel
I come from Glenmavis, and currently stay in Chapelhall. There are other Beresfords in Chapelhall too.
Like you, there's hardly anyone left to tell me much.
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Soapy - there is defo a link to the Coatbridge ones....
dont have the docs to hand, and cant remember properly but I know a Samuel was in coatbridge with his wife, his wife was still alive 3/4 years ago and her daughter lived nearby. Samuel was on a couple of documents i had as witness at a wedding.
I need to get the docs i have onto the tree proper :/
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I am pretty sure the Samuel you have found is my grandfather. I have a contact number for his wife, my step grandmother, and his son, my uncle.
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Garry. you're too busy with that new wee Beresford. I know that your grandad's sister was at the funeral I attended a few years ago..she stayed in Whifflet at the time. My mum Betty was her cousin...and she did mention other Beresfords in Coatbridge, and one I knew, but didn't know was related. I'll PM you about that
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daz - if so, im sure i have info of sams daughter who lives close the your stepgrandmother ?!? She was really elderly last i heard maybe 4/5 years ago but very fit and was out everyday i heard.
MrsD - incoming facebook message about your PM shortly.
The mini Beresford is no problem at all. So content its unbelieveable :)
Im also gonny pin you down for info on improving my searching :/ (altho concentrate one one thing at a time would prob help)
G
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(*) Beresford is my aunt I think. Does she have a brother called (*)?
(*) Details of living people (or people who could possible be still alive) must not be posted on the main open forum. Please use the PM service to discuss this type of detail. Thank you.
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It would be better to discuss living relatives by PM (Personal Message) rather than on this thread- you should have enough posts to do so.
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Aghadowey...all my relations are dead, that's where the problem lies...nowhere to get info!
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hi you !!
How are you?
Do you want to PM me with those details?
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Hi Soapy1
Trying to get Birth Date for William Beresford. He married Jean Clarke. They had 2 sons David & Tom,and adopted (or fostered) a child called Mary.
William (Bill), Jean & Mary migrated to Perth W.A. about 1945.
Would like their marriage date. Think they were living in Forrestfield (Or nearby) before migrating.
Cheers Ruth
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Hi Candycups,
I'm sorry i don't have that info. My Beresfords stayed in Glenmavis. Forrestfield is up near Caldercruix.
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Hi Soapy1
Thanks for your reply. It is appreciated
Regards Ruth
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Hi Ruth,
I've been reliably informed that I'm related to the Beresfords you mention in Forrestfield!! :D
William Beresford was born in Blackridge in 1898 (I don’t have his exact birth date unfortunately). He was the son of Thomas Beresford & Mary Hamilton and grandson of John Beresford (Berrisfield) & Helen Jane Gemmell (Gamble). He married Jeanie Clarke on 2 Nov 1923 in Caldercruix. They had a son (*) (born 8 April 1924 in Forrestfield) and second son (*) (born 6 July 1926 in Blackridge). I didn’t know about the adopted (or fostered) child called Mary or that they had later emigrated to Australia.
This William Beresford was my 1st cousin, twice removed. His father, Thomas Beresford was my mum's great grandfather's brother
:)
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Hi Soapy1
Thanks so much for taking the trouble to find information on Bill (William) Beresford.
In the Monklands Cemetry they have the death of a baby William Beresford. I think this would have been Jean & Bill's first child. Then had David and (*) who both migrated to Perth W.Aust, after Bill & Jean had come with Mary. Mary always called them Mum and Dad, but still not sure whether she was adopted or Fostered. Think she lived with them from a baby, and they had to get permission for her to migrate. David was killed driving a timber jinker loaded with jarrah (wood). His widow returned to Scotland and remarried. (*), Both married but have lost touch with them. I live in Victoria.
Bill Beresford was my Uncle through marriage. Kindest Regards Ruth
Kindest regards Ruth
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My name is William (Willie) Beresford born in Collie West Australia in 1950. My father was David Clarke Beresford who died in a road accident in 1952 and is buried in Collie WA cemetry. My grandfather William Beresford is buried there too, along with my Grandmother Jeanie Beresford. I was the young boy who returned to Scotland with my mother from Australia after the funeral and my sister Betty was born in Scotland a few months after our return. Betty emigrated to Australia and I made my way back after serving in the Royal Navy.
My wife and our 4 kids, David, Richard, James and our girl, Wallis (*), all live the dream in Oz. The family tree is being researched and I am very keen to trace the Beresford side as my dad didn't say much before passing away tragically.
I read the messages about the search and the name of my grandfather William. I was lucky enough to have spent some of my youth in Armadale/Plains/Caldercruix area and have always been fascinated by Hillend Reservoir...funnily enough! I was also lucky enought to spend some years with my uncle Tom Beresford, before he passed away. Any help or information regarding my rellies in Scotland and Oz will be gratefully received!
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Hi Wilber
Welcome to RootsChat :)
Once you have posted 2/3 times here on the main board, you can use the Private Message service (PMs). A good way to exchange personal info, including personal emails between people.
Monica
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My name is William (Willie) Beresford born in Collie West Australia in 1950. My father was David Clarke Beresford who died in a road accident in 1952 and is buried in Collie WA cemetry. My grandfather William Beresford is buried there too, along with my Grandmother Jeanie Beresford. I was the young boy who returned to Scotland with my mother from Australia after the funeral and my sister Betty was born in Scotland a few months after our return. Betty emigrated to Australia and I made my way back after serving in the Royal Navy.
My wife and our 4 kids, David, Richard, James and our girl, Wallis (*), all live the dream in Oz. The family tree is being researched and I am very keen to trace the Beresford side as my dad didn't say much before passing away tragically.
I read the messages about the search and the name of my grandfather William. I was lucky enough to have spent some of my youth in Armadale/Plains/Caldercruix area and have always been fascinated by Hillend Reservoir...funnily enough! I was also lucky enought to spend some years with my uncle Tom Beresford, before he passed away. Any help or information regarding my rellies in Scotland and Oz will be gratefully received!
Hi Willie,
Apologies for not geting back to you. I've en a wee bit busy, but well the dark nights are back !!
You mention Caldercruix. I do have relatives who live there. My aunt (my mum's sister) married aCaldercruix man. She died 1977. Her name was Isabel Gilmour ( own name was Burnett)
I'm trying to trace back further than the brothers who came over from Dromore in Co Down, but not had much success.
Do you have ay info?
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I'm originally from Glenmavis, where the Beresford brothers seem to have settled. they appear to have gone to Springburn, Glasgow first
I've been trying to do my family tree for the last couple of years.
I think you'll need to do another couple of posts before you can private message.
Again , apologies for not replying sooner.
Trying to find out about those Beresfords has been very time-consuming.
Have you regisered anywhere else?
Elspeth
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Well I haven't made much progress on my Father's side but I really was very lucky to make contact and share information on my Grannie Beresford's side, (that's the Clarke in my dad's name David,Clarke,Beresford.). The first of the Irish connections and we have very old pics which go back a fair bit there on her side
She was kind enough to let me have her information and I am still to work through all of the phots we have at my cousin's house in Forrestfield WA. I still find it strange that my Uncle Tom Beresford came all the way from Hillend to live out his days in Forrestfield in WA!
My mother has yet to return a form to the Army records so that I can get information on my father's war service. I have his medals but no history. My Mother hasn't been too well lately and of course like most auld Scots she has had most of the parts of the heart that can be replaced...already done!
So I don't have much to add for the moment but am happy to be educated.
Willie
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Hi All, I'm another Beresford thats stumbled across this page..
My Granddad was William 'Bill' Beresford originally from Blackridge born 1931. He had an older brother Thomas 'Tam' who lived in Blackridge all his days, younger sisters Elizabeth and Jean. I believe that his father was John Beresford and his mother had the surname Cochrane.
I don't know too much about the families origins and whether they are related to those in previous posts but just thought I'd let you know that there was yet another Beresford clan around.. :)
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I have a Thomas Beresford who married Mary Hamilton and eventually moved to Blackridge. He died 1938 in Blackridge. as far as I know , he had 4 sons and a daughter . One son Thomas died in a clay mine accident in 1911 . He did have a son called William 1898-1955, but I think he went to Australia. Does anything ring a bell ?
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PS Thomas's sons were called John (born 1890) James (1891) Thomas (1894) William (1898) and his daughter Maggie (1896) = you may come from the eldest son John , but I don't have any info on him other than he was born in Glenmavis
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Thanks very much, it sounds promising. My Grandads sister Jean is still alive and stays in Bathgate, I hope I can meet up with her soon and run past her, hopefully will be able to let you know