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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Angus (Forfarshire) => Topic started by: ev on Wednesday 06 April 11 18:11 BST (UK)
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hi all :)
joseph beat marries sarah smith 1852 dundee angus
also
joseph beat marries agnes moncur 1843 dundee angus
3 children to agnes moncur - ann(b.1843) , joseph(b.1846) , christina(b.1848)
are the marriages the same man ?
i have him on the 1841 and 1881 census as a slater
ev
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think i've found the answer :'(
moncur(beatt) agnes 4th aug. 1849 26 years dundee cholera wife of joseph
beatt slater dudhope wynd(dundee howff)
ev
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Hi Ev
There is this entry in 1851, lots of Josephs in the household!:
Andrew Beat 52
Margret Beat 47
Isebella Beat 18
Isebell Beat 15
Joseph Beat 29, son (no occupation showing) b. Dundee
Charlot Beat 3, daughter (not clear to whom from the index)
Joseph Beat 25, lodger, weaver
Ann Beat 73, lodger, pauper
Joseph Beat 5, pauper lodger b Dundee
Address: 27 Mill Bank, Dundee
Monica :)
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And 1861:
Joseph Beat 39, slater b. Dundee
Sarah Beat 38 b. Kinfauns, Perthshire
Joseph Beat 14
Ann Beat 5
Andrew Beat 3
Grace Beat 2
William Beat 1
Sarah Beat 1 Month
Address: 68 Albert St, Dundee
Monica
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thanks Monica :)
helping someone else and they're paying for the certs. but i don't want to make too many errors
1851 seems to confirm what i suspect :)
andrew beat is the father(married to helen grubb 1822)
margaret(nee winks) andrew's 2nd wife(married 1833)
the rest i'll need to work on but suspect charlot may be christina
the 1861 matches the names i have
but the mainline name is a cracker(b.1862) powrie beat(s)
wonder where that one came from ???
ev
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Powrie sounds like a surname used as a first name, and unusual in itself. Hope that makes for easier searching of the name for him in later years!
Monica
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no powrie surname so far
curse of the death cert. ???
sarah beat died 1898 , parents james smith joiner(wright on census) and
sarah smith(m.s. brown)(i've got grace/grizzel brown)
joseph beat died 1900 , parents andrew beat and helen grubb(spot on)
widower of helen moncur(agnes?) and sarah smith
one of these days i'll get a death cert. that has the correct details ::)
ev
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:)
that 1851 census starting to make sense
andrew beat died 1866(b.c1799) parents joseph beat and ann tosh
marriage 1799 IGI joseph beat and ann tosh
ann tosh 62(widowed?) on 1841 census
ann beat 73 on 1851 census(nee tosh?)
ev
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That all makes sense Ev :)
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Joseph Beat's death certificate shouldn't be hard to find, and it should name both his wives if he was married twice.
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Sorry Forfarian :-[
somehow i seem to have missed your reply
i obtained joseph's death cert.(died 1900)
widower 1st helen(think this should be agnes) moncur , 2nd ann smith
everthing else including his parents and occupation seems to match up
ev
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Hard to beat! I research all Powries,it's my maiden surname, but also the name of an evil elf in Scotland.If you look up red cap, dunter or Powrie you'll see malicious creatures who haunt lowland Scotland. It's an old gaelic placename and there are two castles named South Powrie and North Pourie 2 miles north of Dundee.
Your family could have lived near there, had a Powrie relative. I will look at his birth tomorrow and see if I can draw a connection. If it was the ministers first christening,the child was named for the minister, which has given me fits at times, looking for a family connection when there isn't one.
Mary Powrie Schacht
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I went up both lines, went from beats to Beat.
Sarah Smith Beat died in Dundee Gros ref. 1898 BEAT SARAH SMITH F 76 ST ANDREW (DUNDEE) DUNDEE CITY/ANGUS 282/04 1114 I downloaded both hers and Joseph Beat 1900 BEAT JOSEPH M 83 ST ANDREW (DUNDEE) DUNDEE CITY/ANGUS 282/04 0628 if anyone wants them, no connection to the Powrie surname, but it is a placename from Dundee area. There are two castles, south powrie and north pourie, which may be near to one of the them, worked on the estate of one.
joseph's siblings:
Alexander Burns Beat <https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XB8M-8J3>
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 31 Jul 1827
christening: 05 Aug 1827 DUNDEE,ANGUS,SCOTLAND
parents: Andrew Beat, Helen Grubb
David Beat <https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XBZ1-7S9>
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 20 Jan 1830
christening: 31 Jan 1830 DUNDEE,ANGUS,SCOTLAND
Elizabeth Beats <https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYP5-YQ1>
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 10 Dec 1857 DUNDEE,ANGUS,SCOTLAND
parents: Joseph Beats, Sarah Smith
Powrie Beats <https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XY16-QFZ>
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 27 Aug 1862 DUNDEE,ANGUS,SCOTLAND
parents: Joseph Beats, Sarah Smith
parents: Andrew Beat, Helen Grub
Joseph Beat <https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XB8M-CNY>
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 23 Nov 1822
christening: 01 Dec 1822 DUNDEE,ANGUS,SCOTLAND
parents: Andw. Beat, Helen Grubb
If I were in country I could check guild records, rental records etc. but I will search the Angus Monument inscription books I have at home. Mary Powrie schacht, oregon registered one name study researcher for Powrie surname.
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Got it! Sarah Smith was born to james Smith and Grace Brown. Under her brother Willim Smith's tombstone at Eastern Ncropolis, Dundee, Angus, Scotland.
Angus Dundee and Broughty Ferry, Volume 4, Page 223a, Number 7 reads: William Smith 6.11.1887 76, w Eliz Galloway 10.1.1873, s Chas C d 1848, sis Sarah Smith Beat 22.11.1898 76, sis Annie 13.4.1900 92, sis Mary 5.10.1903 79, sis Grace B. S. Powrie 17.2.1905 90. Sarah's sister Grace Brown Smith married Alexander Powrie, and
finally Powrie beats was named for his Mum's brother-in-law. alexander Powrie is buried at St. Madoes Kirkyard, St. Madoes, Perth, Scotland.
In Memory of Alex Powrie 24.12.1868 and three children died (as) infants, by wife Grace Smith
Since this stone is next to 7, there may be a connection to Grace Smith. 1796 by John Smith in Cottown and wife Margaret Whittet in Memory of daughter Barbra (this is correct spelling) 16.7.1786 4 years 4 months (west side) winged soul, rope medallion with crown over hammer (for a smith) There was a Whittet and Powrie somewhere.....in my memory
Mary in Oregon
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Hi All,
I see you are looking at the Beat family and the man called Powrie Beat that your looking at happens to be my Great Great Grandfather and so any information that you find I would be very grateful.
I have started a family tree if anyone needs some more information and its on the Ancestry Website.
thanks :)
Dale :)