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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Perthshire => Topic started by: snowolf on Wednesday 06 April 11 10:01 BST (UK)
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Hi,
This has me a bit curious.
I have a person who married in 1914, her occupation is a dairymaid , but it states her usual address is as Murray's Asylum , Kinnoull.
I'm wondering if the asylum had their own dairy ? ???....or could she have been an inmate but on a day release as a dairymaid (did they have that in these days ?).
Was Murray's asylum there for years ?
one of the witness at marriage was a peter murray.....mmmmh ???
any ideas please ?
thanks a million ,
Snowolf :)
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Hi Snowolf
Murray Royal Hospital is still there, Once upon a time it had it's own dairy and it had it's own pig herd up until the 1960s.
By the date you are looking at I do not think the Murray's had anything to do with the hospital.
It's original name when built was James Murray's Lunatic Asylum
May be of interest
http://134.36.1.31/dserve/dserve2/history/thb29hist.html
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Hi Bleckie,
Thankyou for your reply :)..i found the article you gave the website for intresting ,
thanks again,
Snowolf
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Records from 1802-1993 for the Murray Royal Lunatic Asylum are available at the University of Dundee Archive service, catalogued under THB 29 - see the catalogue at http://134.36.1.31/search/search-all.htm. Type the reference in only and all sorts will pop up - there may well be some employment records in there, or perhaps mentions of the dairy in minutes?
(I've just written a book about a murder in my family in 1866, due for publication in June 2012, which includes some content about the asylum, so have been through some of the case papers there, rather than administrative.)
You'll also find quite a lot on the asylum via Google Books, including various annual reports etc, which may be worth a look - not sure how recent these go though.
The building is still there, it is now the main hospital for Perth.
Chris
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Just a quick correction to the previous post - Murray Royal is still a psychiatric hospital - Perth Royal Infirmary is the main "hospital" though all is increasingly centralised now in Dundee.
I have been within the walls of Murray Royal before (just for an hour! They let me out again!) after a head injury and the place then was all you'd expect from a "Lunatic Asylum". It felt very Victorian and imposing, even in the late 1990's! Kinnoull Hill was a bit of a magnet for the unwell through the ages- in medieval times it also hosted a leper colony.
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I stand corrected! I believe there is a major renovation or building works happening there soon, may already be underway. Spoke to one of the staff recently who is an informal archivist, gathering all sorts of images and materials to do with the place - very helpful.
Chris
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Hi
If memory is correct the new Murray Royal will open to patients this summer
Although some of the wards at present are still in use.
Hi carrumba I take it it was the old original building you visited,
Bridgend was the leper colony. Kinnoul was used for gardens and herb growing see attached link
http://bgk.org.uk/history.html
Some details of the project at Murray Royal
http://www.mhdproject.scot.nhs.uk/Newsletters/Newsletters.htm
Yours aye
Brucel
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Bleckie-
Cheers for that! That is a result of my "youth" - Bridgend was always referred to as "Kinnoull" as in "that bit over the water" and has warped my image of that particular location. I stand happily corrected :-)
Yes it was the old building I believe. Kinnoul hill is really interesting from the tower folly to the "Lunatic" Asylum and working Monastery that most people don't is there as they grow up in Perth.
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Hi Carrumba
I was born over the water in Bridgend.
My late father worked for Mansfield Estates and so we lived in a tied house.
I remember the free cakes passed through a skylight at the bakers in Bridgend.
Yours Aye
Brucel
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Excellent! I am Craigie raised, distantly across the water. Funnily enough, my mother in law runs gun dogs for the Mansfield Estate from Logiealmond.
Well met... I'll perhaps pick your brains in the future ;-)
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Hi carrumba
What brains?!
They left years ago
Yours Aye
BruceL
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;DHi,
I have just discovered that my John Walker, my descendants brother married in Scotland and his first child in Kinnoull, Perth, Scotland. Interestingly, on his son Henry's birth certificate is states that he is sub-superintendent of Murrays Lunatic Asylum in 1835.
Read up a bit about the assylum, interesting and I wonder who would hold the records of employment for the assylum if there are any of course.
John Walker was only the sub-superintendent of Murrays Lunatic Asylum until 1841 when he pops up in Whitehaven, Cumberland as a shopkeeper.
Regards
Christine
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Hi Christine
http://134.36.1.31/dserve.exe?&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=NaviTree.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqItem=THB%2029/10&dsqField=RefNo
Link to archives for Murray royal and Murthly hospital archives
Yours Aye
BruceL
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That's an excellent link from Bruce there.
I know there are various books and reports in the Local History section of the AK Bell library in Perth also having given them a cursory glance on occasion when rummaging through the shelves :-)
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Hi Bruce,
Thanks for that link, lots of records but unfortunately they are all too late for my John Walker sub-superintendent he was there from 1834 to 1841 sometime, no exact dates but thankyou anyway. :'(
Christine
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That's an excellent link from Bruce there.
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