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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: TERIPAT on Wednesday 06 April 11 08:20 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I am searching for information about my Great great grandfather William LAURIE/LOWRIE originally he and his wife Mary Elizabeth ( nee Shaughnessy were in Braidwood NSW Australia and he was a miner according to my great grandmothers marriage certificate. They moved to Queensland around the Gympie area I gather for the gold and William was shot dead in the late 1880s or early 1890s by the police. I have Marys death listed in Brisbane in 1910 but am unable to find any information about William even though years ago I heard it on the radio that today is the 100th anniversary of the shooting death of Bill Laurie for bushranging. Any information would be greatly appreciated, thank you in advance
Teripat
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Hi TERIPAT,
Welcome to RootsChat ;D
I have found this discussion which includes your couple (second post from the bottom) http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.laurie/111.3.2.1/mb.ashx
If this information is correct then it may be your William who died in 1906 in Queensland with parents named as Thomas and Jane. Do you have his parents' names from his marriage certificate?
https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/mainMenuSubmit.m?main_menu=IndexSearch
The Queensland indexes indicate that Mary's 1910 death was in a country area (C), not Brisbane (B). Have you checked to see if William and Mary are buried together at Gympie?
The immigration record for the Scotia arriving NSW in 1849
Thomas LAURIE, 32, farm labourer, born Tynron, Dumfrieshire, parents William and Jane (both dead), Presbyterian, read and write, relative in the colony a sister Mary(?) LAURIE married to David HASTINGS(?)
Jane LAURIE, 32, housekeeper, born Dunlop, Ayr, parents -- and Ellen DAVIDS-, mother living at Dunlop, Presbyterian, read and write
Sons William, 4 and Thomas, 2, both born at Largs, Ayr
I cannot find any mention of a Bill or William LAURIE who was a bushranger.
Debra :)
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Hi Teripat,
A Big Welcome to RootsChat. ;D
Your William appears to be a miner in Gympie
Note: age were the ages listed at time of qualification
1900 Electoral Roll
LAURIE John Thomas aged 25 Miner Chapel Street Qualification Residence Date Qualification Registered 30 Nov 1898
LAURIE William Edward aged 23 Miner Pound Hill Monkland Qualification Residence Date Qualification Registered 30 Nov 1898
1905 Electoral Roll
LAURIE William aged 56 Miner Red Hill Qualification Residence Date Qualification Registered 28 Oct 1901
LAURIE John Thomas aged 25 Miner Chapel Street Qualification Residence Date Qualification Registered 30 Nov 1898
LAURIE William Edward aged 23 Miner Pound Hill Monkland Qualification Residence Date Qualification Registered 30 Nov 1898
I wonder if the Bushranger story came about through a novel published in 1895 by Evelyn Observer, and South and East Bourke Record (Vic. 1882-1902) and also in Papers Past
BARUMBA STATION
or
Amy River's Sacrifice.
A True and Eventfull Narrative
Of The
EARLY DAYS IN NEW SOUTH WALES.
By Captain LACIE
One of the characters was William LAURIE - a bushranger who was shot ;)
You can read it on Trove and Papers past (searching for BARUMBAand LAURIE will bring up further chapters.)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/60692603
Cheers Kris :)
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Hi Debra and Kris,
Thank you for your assistance.
The story in the newspaper sounds suspiciously like it could be connected to what my Grandmother and her siblings believed to be their Grandfather William Laurie.
Grandma used to talk of his brother or cousin that was with William she said his name was Fred/Frank and that the descendants ended up in the Ipswich QLd. Area. Grandum and her family were from Sydney Canterbury Area.
Also I believe Williams mothers maiden name was Gardiner, Jane. So this is probably incorrect also and that William died in 1894 If William was deceased when his daughter married 1899 it would not necessarily say that on the Marriage Certificate would it?
Thanks again
Terri :)
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Hi,
Maybe your William.
Queensland PO Directory 1894-95 (Wise)
KILKILVAN
Laurie William, selector.
Kilkilvan is out from Gympie.
Regards
Gerry
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Hi TERIPAT,
If the parents are deceased at the time of a child's marriage then it should be stated on the certificate, and is sometimes entered instead of an occupation for the father. However this did not always happen, so if it is not stated there is a better chance of them still being alive, but still not definite. Not much help really ;D
The William LAURIE (of Kilkivan mentioned by Gerry) who died in 1894 (parents William LAURIE and Jane GARDINER) was married to Elizabeth SMITH. They emigrated from Scotland in 1860 on the Chance with daughter Agnes. Agnes married Charles Henry Thomas MASON to whom probate was granted when this William died. http://www.rootschat.com/links/0cn1/
Debra :)
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Hi Terri,
William was not deceased in 1899. He appears to have died in 1906. 1903 and 1905 Commonwealth Electoral Rolls list William (a miner) and Mary at Smythe Street One Mile - The rolls I provided earlier were State Rolls which with an age listed helps determine it is the correct person. Also he was not listed in Gympie in 1900 but when he qualified 28 Oct 1901 he was 56. He was therefore living at that time, and the age fits beautifully with the immigration provided by Debra and the death 23 Oct 1906. C3038 (parents Thomas LAURIE and Jane DAVIS)
There are several mentions in trees (Jane's name found listed in varying sources as DAVIDSON,DAVIDS,DAVIS)
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=REG&db=monaropioneers&id=I197345
http://stuart.scss.dyndns.info/FamilyTree/individual.php?pid=I10670&ged=Gregory-Hudson.ged
Cheers Kris :)
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There is an IGI extracted record
Thomas LAWRIE= Jean DAVIDSON 23 Nov 1844 Dalry Ayr Scotland
Cheers Kris :)
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Hi Kris,
Thanks all the information I looked at all the sites you gave and it seems William was still alive when my Great grandmother Margaret Annie Laurie married my great grandfather John Thomas Harris in 1899.
I am able to find her marriage and her death with her parents being William and Mary, and all her childrens births which includes my Granny Lil. But I can't find her birth she was born in 1870.
Her sister Frances M was the witness noted on her marriage certificate.
I will go to BDM nsw and have another look.
Thanks for all the info its been great.
Terri
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Hi Terri,
Here is the birth
LAWRIE Margaret Ann parents William and Mary Maria at Braidwood #7991/1871
Cheers Kris :)
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Hi Kris
Thank you for that, I didn't try spelling it that way, I wonder why Margaret was the only one who had the different spelling and the wrong second name for Mary ie Maria instead of Elizabeth.
All the sites I have been directed to, don't mention Margaret as being born with all her siblings thats a little strange/sad. :-\ Margaret was obviously the oldest I am sure this is her family?
I am going to try looking for the Harris and Mcmah ancestors and when they arrived in Australia now. I want to see if they were free settlers, convicts or what.
I have a bit of trouble with the Mcmah side because everywhere always suggests Mcmahon.
So I suppose I will posting again about them.
Kind Regards
Terry
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Just wonering if you know if Thomas had a sister Elizabeth Laurie who married Alexander Gracie?
I have an Alexander Gracie in my tree who I believe married Elizabeth Gracie (i thought Elizabeth was my Alexander's wife until I found an another Alexander Gracie living with a Margret, so I need to do more research)
Elizabeth Laurie was born in Tynron abt 1803 the only entry I could find on familysearch was
Betty Laurie christened 24 May 1801 Keir with parents William Laurie and Jean Gibson
Alexander Gracie's parents were Samuel Gracie and Margaret Smith.
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have you tried looking up newspaper articles at trove? They can be quiet interesting :-)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper
try many different ways of spelling though when searching
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I am Val Watson (nee Laurie born Gympie Qld second youngest of nine children of Herbert James Laurie and Annie Laurie nee McIlwraith I am 83 yrs old and have only one brother 93 yrs and one sister 80 yrs left . My fathers parents were William and Mary Laurie and he was born in Majors Creek nsw, 13 Jnn 1886.I do not know much about my fathers family ,Iknow he had a brother Billand a sister Chrissie and possibly another sister called Ada. Ithought he had twin sisters but am not sure if these are the two.Some of the Laurie family lived in Alphe central qld and some lived in Kandanga. near Gympie , we lived in Gympie until 1937 then in Emerald until 1943 then in Gladstone until 1953 I married a kiwi and moved to NZ in 1951 and have been here for 61 yrs I lost my husband in 2009 Iwould like to know more about my family history . My oldest sister Iris would have known a lt more than i do she lived in gympie all her life Thank you Clarice Valmai Watson ,(Val
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Hi Val,
Here are some births to WILLIAM LAURIE at BRAIDWOOD.
REG 7774/1872 LAURIE, ELIZABETH ANN. Parents WILLIAM & MARY JANE. BRAIDWOOD
REG 11087/1880 LAURIE ADA JULIA. Parents WILLIAM & MARY ELIZABETH. BRAIDWOOD
REG 12275/1881 LAURIE, BERTHA. Parents WILLIAM & MARY.
BRAIDWOOD
REG 15336/1884 LAURIE CHRISTINA M Parents WILLIAM & MARY E. BRAIDWOOD
REG 16675/1886 LAURIE HERBERT P J. Parents WILLIAM & MARY O'S. BRAIDWOOD
9710/1878 LAURIE, FRANCES M. Parents WILLIAM & MARY E.
BRAIDWOOD.
Sue
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HERBERT and ANNIE were married 17th Feb 1910 in rural QLD
Yr 1910 REG /C1124 Laurie Herbert James to McIlwraith Annie.
Sue
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Their first daughter was born 14th March 1910 in rural QLD ;D
Yr 1910 REG C4510 Vanda Muriel Laurie Parents Herbert Peter James & Annie McIlwraith.
Her early death
YR 1917 REG C1649 Vanda Muriel Laurie. Parents Herbert James Laurie & Annie McIlwraith
Sue
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Hi Val
ADA JULIA ( b.1880 see above) seems to have had two marriages in NSW.
REG 2838 In 1895 JACKSON HENRY J. to LAURIE ADA J. At BRAIDWOOD.
REG 5789 In 1903 BARNETT JOHN G. to LAURIE ADA J. At CANTERBURY.
There was a birth to her first marraige-
REG 29237 IN 1896 JACKSON LIONEL G. Father HENRY J. Mother ADA J. At BRAIDWOOD .
This man's death
REG 260 In 1920 JACKSON LIONEL G Father- not known-Mother ADA at SYDNEY
Perhaps Henry died.
REG 7665 In 1902 JACKSON HENRY J. Father ROBERT Mother MARGARET at YASS
Sue
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Two births before 1911 for ADA and her second husband.
REG 2132 IN 1904 BARNETT CECIL A. Father JOHNG Mother ADA J CANTERBURY
REG 2205 IN 1907 BARNETT MAY I Father JOHN G Mother ADA J CANTERBURY.
Sue
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Hi Val,
My name is Terry, my grandmother Lillian Helen Laurie(nee Harris) McMah is your cousin, Grannys mother was Margaret Annie Laurie the oldest sister of your Dad Herbert PJ Laurie..Here is a list of the all the children of William & Mary Laurie (nee O Shaughnessy)
Margaret Ann LAURIE b: 1871 in Braidwood, NSW married John Thomas Harris 1899
Elizabeth Ann LAURIE b: 1872 in Braidwood, NSW
Frances M. LAURIE b: 1878 in Braidwood, NSW
Ada Julia LAURIE b: 1880 in Braidwood, NSW
Bertha LAURIE b: 1881 in Braidwood, NSW
Christina M. LAURIE b: 1884 in Braidwood, NSW
Herbert P. J. LAURIE b: 1886 in Braidwood, NSW
Granny's Mum known as Annie( your Auntie) passed away in December 29, 1933. Her mother (your grandmother) Mary passed away June 12th1910 I have a funeral card photo that I can send you (though it is not very clear, I am afraid) and your Grandfather William well he is our mystery man.
I know that William Laurie(4) & brother Thomas (2) arrived in Australia with their parents on July 9th 1849 aboard the Scotia Father: Thomas LAURIE b: 1817 in Tynson, Dumfreshire, Scotland and died in Braidwood in 1884
Mother: Jane DAVIDSON b: 1817 in Dunlop, Ayr, Scotland,and known as "Jean" died in 1902 at Braidwood/ Majors Creek I can send you a copy of the transcript from the immigration records and that Thomas already had a sister in the colony ( thats an intersting story in itself)
Thomas and Jane went on to have to have another five children with some dying at an early age, though I must say I have kind of got stuck and moved onto other sections of the family tree so I don't know as much about the Laurie side as I would like. I know nothing whatsoever about Mary O Shaughnessy your grandmother except when she died, I haven't been able to find out when she came out to Australia or if she was born here or anything???
Did you know your cousins when you were growing up? I will need to send you a personal message with my email address so that I can send the info I do have and perhaps you might have some stories you recall. It is so great to hear from one of Grandmums cousin, honestly (longevity seems to be in the genes) I hope you are well . Anyhow Thank you...and hope to hear again from you.
Kind Regards
Terry
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Marriage of FRANCES
REG 8022 Yr 1901 KEASLEY THOMAS A to LAURIE FRANCES M. SYDNEY
A birth to the couple
REG 9757 Yr 1902 KEASLEY OLIVE A Father THOMAS A Mother FRANCES M at ANNANDALE
The death of Frances
REG 705 Yr 1953 KEASLEY FRANCES MARY father WILLIAM Mother MARY. BURWOOD
A marriage for OLIVE
REG 6009 Yr 1925 MOYLE ROBERT L to KEASLEY OLIVE A. CANTERBURY
Her death which gives a little more detail of her name and her father’s names.
REG 32958 Yr 1953 MOYLE OLIVE ANNANDALE Father THOMAS ALBERT Mother FRANCES MARY BANKSTOWN
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For your further interest TERRY, in case you have not seen it, regarding the 1894 William LAURIE death
A Monumental Inscription.
LAURIE, William , d. 14.10.1894, 73 yrs, with wife Elizabeth LAURIE & Charles H.T. MASON., MI, Kilkivan.
AND
LAURIE, Elizabeth , d. 30.09.1905, 84 yrs, erect. by thier only dau. Agnes., MI, Kilkivan
Sue
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Hi Sue,
Thank you for the information, I am not sure where this William fits in, our Bill was born in 1845, so he would have been younger in 1894 , 49years only, which would fit with the bushranging death story.
Yet you say this William Laurie was 73, so this is very confusing, so maybe he was our Bill"s Uncle (Thomas's brother) I will do some more research. I wonder if his parents were William & Jane Gibson the same as Thomas? (our Bills father???)
Thank you so many questions I am now inspired to continue searching. May I ask where you got this the inscription from?
Yours kindly
Terry
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Hi Terry,
I did not locate this MI though an online source. :D
Sue
ADDING
For explanation of who those memorialised are, see reply #5 this thread.
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How wonderful to have 'met' some extra family on Rootschat :) Val, you will need to make two more posts before you can use the Personal Message facility on Rootschat. I'm not sure, Terry, if your PM to Val would go through as she has only made one post. Hope it has!
I'm just adding two snippets from TROVE which you may already have.
Obits from two papers for W E (Bill) LAURIE, 1951
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/71392540
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/57080323
Braidwood was the town where BMD registrations would be located for Majors Creek which is about 16k away. Majors Creek area began as a farming area until the 1850s when gold was discovered.
Judith
Judith
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I know this thread is old but wondering if anyone has any information on William Edward Laurie, Mary O'Shaughnessy, their parents or children. I am a descendant of their daughter Christina May Laurie and we have no information whatsoever on this side of the family. Any photos/stories/information would be much appreciated! I hope to hear a reply soon.
Thanks
Stacey
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Welcome to Rootschat, kurtsta.
There is quite an amount of information re this family on this thread. You might consider making notes and a timeline for the family and then working out what else you want to know. It's a bit tricky with so many Williams. ;D
For example, the first reply from Dundee gives the immigration details for William (the William born abt 1845) and his parents.
Quote:
The immigration record for the Scotia arriving NSW in 1849
Thomas LAURIE, 32, farm labourer, born Tynron, Dumfrieshire, parents William and Jane (both dead), Presbyterian, read and write, relative in the colony a sister Mary(?) LAURIE married to David HASTINGS(?)
Jane LAURIE, 32, housekeeper, born Dunlop, Ayr, parents -- and Ellen DAVIDS-, mother living at Dunlop, Presbyterian, read and write
Sons William, 4 and Thomas, 2, both born at Largs, Ayr
An on-line public tree suggests that Mary Elizabeth O'SHAUGHNESSY was born in Ireland around 1850.
It really depends what you want to find next.
TROVE is worth searching as there are mentions of the LAURIE family of Gympie.
For example; an In Memoriam notice for Mary LAURIE (nee O'SHAUGHNESSY)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/15360905
Search page of TROVE here:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/
Judith
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Christina M Laurie v John McMahon Jnr 1906, third column: http://www.rootschat.com/links/01idm/
Kutsta, do you need any info on Christina and William?
J.
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So sorry, have just seen your reply. This article is very interesting for us to read!!! My great grandmother's birth certificate states father as unknown. She was never told who he was. The story was that Christina was working (if we can recall correctly as a maid) for a high profile/well off family and was sent away to have her daughter. I wonder if this John McMahon Jnr is the father? Upon searching I have found John McMahon owned a hotel nearby. Do you have any further information. Also I still have been unable to track down any photos of the Laurie's. I would love to gather some if anyone has some to share.
Regards
Stacey