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Andrew Colhoun a merchant of Bishops St, Londonderry died february 1881. In his will he listed Margaret Jane Dougherty nee Cole (my gt grandmother) and her sister Catherine A McFrederick nee Cole as nieces. Their mother was Rebeccas nee Shiels. Can anyone tell me if his wife Catherine Colhoun who died 1894 was also a Shiels?
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Hi,
3 Feb 1863 Andrew Colhoun married Catherine Shiels in Londonderry 1st Presbyterian Church.
Regards
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Thank you so much. I did think that Rebecca Shiels had a sister Catherine but cannot find my source. I have been looking at the Crossroads Church site and wondering if the Samuel Shiels who married Mary Donnaster in 1827 is the same Samuel Shiels, weaver of Monreagh who was Rebecca & Catherine's father.
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I would now like to widen this topic to the family of Andrew Colhoun as recent DNA results show that Andrew Colhoun was probably a cousin of my gt grandfather William John Dougherty. The main suspect for the DNA match is William John Dougherty's mother whose name is not known.
I think Andrew Colhoun may have been the son of Andrew Colhoun of Corncannon(?) who the Londonderry Sentinal of 7 Feb 1865 said died
On the 3rd February (1865), at his residence, Corncammon, Mr. Andrew Colhoun, aged 85 years.
Can anyone tell me if this is close to or the same as Corncamble?
I also have a death notice for an Ann Colhoun who died 1867 and could have been the widow of this Andrew Colhoun:
December 22, at her son's residence, Tullyannan, Ann, relict of the late Mr. Andrew Colhoun, aged 79 years.
This is what I have so far. Andrew Colhoun born c1823 died 1881 and his wife Catherine nee Shiels did not have family of their own.
The Will of Andrew Colhoun late of Bishop-street Londonderry Publican and Grocer who died 17 February 1881 at same place was proved at Londonderry by Alexander M'Vicker of Shipquay-street and George Walker of Magazine-street both in Londonderry two of the Executors. (Former Grant 21 April 1881.) (Double Probate). Effects £3,000
Andrew listed his siblings in tis order:
Samuel, John, Thomas, William, Ann, Jane and family of deceased sister Isabella, then lastly Hugh.
From the wording in Andrew's will I do not think Hugh was married or had any family.
Jane Colhoun b c 1826 married David Rutherford at Taughboyne on 15 Jun 1846. The record I can see in Ancestry does not name her father. I have several Rutherford DNA matches. Catherine Colhoun, widow of Andrew, died in 1894 and left a will.
To my nephew Henry Rutherford who now resides with me I bequeath and devise the house shop and premises as now in my occupation in Bishop Street in the said City of Londonderry together with all stock in the said shop, shop fixture and fittings, furniture in said house an all my interest and good will in the business as now carried on by me in the said premises. I also bequeath to the said Henry Rutherford the sum of three hundred pounds sterling.
I also have DNA matches to a descendent of a Wiliam Colhoun b c1820 ( who married Elizabeth Roulston) and I think to Samuel Colhoun (1817-1914) who married Margery Roulston. Potentially these are brothers of Andrew.
I checked the Griffiths valuations for Tullyannan and there was only one Colhoun listed there and that was Samuel Colhoun. I do not know if this is the same Samuel as above.
Lastly, I have also discovered a lesser DNA match to someone whose Colhoun Ancestor was the Jane Colhoun, daughter of William who
On the 16th ult., at the house of Mr. George Rodgers, of Killyverry, by the Rev. William Scott, Mr. Joseph Huston, of Killyverry, to Jane, eldest daughter of Mr. William Colhoun, of Drummany, near Letterkenny.
This brings me to another question about geography. There is another Andrew Colhoun who died 1865 and left a will
The Will (with one Codicil) of Andrew Colhoun late of Londonderry in the County of Londonderry Woollen-draper deceased who died 28 May 1865 at Moville in the County of Donegal was proved at Londonderry by the oaths of Thomas Miles Grover and Joseph Orr Merchant both of Londonderry aforesaid the Executors.
Andrew names a sister Jane who was married to Thomas Miles (in June 1838)
On the 5th inst., at Manorcunningham Church, by the Rev. Mr. Chapman, Mr. Thomas Miles, of this City, to Jane, eldest daughter of Mr. William Colhoun, of Lifford.
I was wondering how close Lifford was to Durmmanny but as both daughters were named Jane, I assume they are daughters of different Williams?
So I would appreciate input from anyone who can expand and connect the various Colhouns of Donegal with the siblings or parents of Andrew who died 1881.
I have not been able to positively identify the spouses of John, Thomas, Ann or Isabella.
Cheers
Linda.
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jane Colhoun's father on marriage cert. is Andrew Colhoun.
regards mary.
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Thank you Mary
I have also since seen one record in FamilySearch for the 1863 marriage of Andrew Colhoun and Catherine Shields that confirms Andrews father was also Andrew.
However I am not sure that the Samuel Colhoun who married Margery Roulston was the son of Andrew. It appears my DNA link was not to the Colhoun side of the tree with that Samuel, and in that tree I think his father was James and mother ?Jane.
However I have since found minor links to a dozen trees with the Colhouns of Crosh House Co Tyrone.
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@lmgnz (Linda)
I am interested in your story of the Colhouns of Londonderry.
I'm not sure how to get in contact with you. You are some of my story.
Andrew Colquhoun
Geelong Victoria Australia
ftDNA kit#B626103
GedMATCH NZ9325360 (fathers side)
Ancestry user name - colquhoun197
The Colquhoun / Colhoun STOREY, goes back to Ireland dating 1779.
Here (for now) it ends, not knowing where John Colquhoun/Colhoun (convict) b. 1820 Raphoe, Lisclamerty, County Donegal and his mother Ann Murray (Mothers maiden name Earl) B. Abt 1780 Raphoe, Donegal, Ireland (also a chicken/fowl/foul stealing convict) came from after they were sent to Australia in 1839 on separate ships.
We have many Colhoun ancestors in Ireland & Calhouns in the US but no way of knowing how they quite literally missed the boat.
I am Y-DNA tested E-M35 Haplogroup E-FT350465 (est 500 year ago link) Currently researching a link using DNA back to somewhere around Rev Alexander Colhoun of Crosh House estate B.1662 or directly further back to Sir John, XIII Colquhoun, 15th Laird of Luss, Lord of Dumbarton B:1523 Scotland.
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Welcome to RootsChat, Andrew :)
I'm not sure how to get in contact with you. You are some of my story.
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Good Luck!
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Hi Andrew
We have already been in contact through the FTDNA Calhoun project and I think through Ancestry. I expect but do not know for sure that my Andrew Colhoun b c1780 of Corncammon will belong to the "Taughboyne" group. Brian Anton will be expanding on that group shortly in his next blog. I am hoping that one day a male descendent of my Andrew Colhoun will take a yDNA test.
I know that your yDNA does put you in the Crosh group but I expect there have been marriages between the various groups which will not show up through yDNA. Brian Anton's latest blog deals with one of those connections between the Colhouns of Labbadash and the Taughboyne Colhouns. I believe you have already seen that post but I will put a link here for others. Or at least try to.
https://calhoungenealogy.wordpress.com/2025/07/31/from-labbadish-to-taughboyne/
Though I know your claim to Crosh House lineage is based on yDNA results, there are many people in Ancestry who think they are connected but do not have yDNA results to back that up. My early posts mention I have some DNA matches for people with those trees, but they do not share my many matches in the family of Andrew Colhoun of Corncammon. So could be linked through any of my Donegal families, known and unknown.
Cheers
Linda
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Thanks Kiltaglassan & lmgnz (Linda)
Linda, thanks for clearing that up. What I want to do is create a few trees with Colhoun family's of Donegal, preferably not Y-dna R-lines and pad them out where possible and attempt to find a female name line connection. I have read Brian's post and wounded if this was the same family hence my inquiry as to where you have been tested. But if we were I think you would have been well on this by now. I live in hope I will get a Autosomal stretch to 1750's -> coming from Ireland and can built a bigger picture. I have done this before with my partner who was rumoured to be a descendant of major general William Heath. I managed to map multiple DNA back to his descendants so all you need is a hint to go on and then prove it with DNA. I assume if I do achieve this, it will work out well for everybody else on the E-FT350465 line. I'm still trying to map as much common DNA with other Colquhoun cousins as possible, eliminating any Colhoun links. So far there is only one stubborn line that goes to Robert Murphy 🧬 DNA CONNECTION B:7 Apr 1798 Limerick, Ireland. But I cant link all these matches (some even common with my son) to the Colquhoun tree. Its possible its a Maternal side and doesn't link to Colhouns of ireland at all. But until I find that new tester to bring it all together its going to be a hard slog. I am still of the opinion it was probably a traveling Colquhoun and a illegitimate child to Anne Murray Widow B:abt 1796 Raphoe, Donegal, Ireland
D:21 Jul 1862 Cockle Creek, New South Wales, Australia.
Thanks again for all your help Linda.