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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Lincolnshire => England => Lincolnshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: gemma o on Tuesday 05 April 11 23:58 BST (UK)
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hi can any one help me, i have hit a brick wall searching for this personher details are,
louisa robinson b 1847 salford manchester, married john allen b 1852 grimsby.
married 1865 st.james church great grimsby.
her parents were andrew robinson and ann stephenson, of grimsby.
i am wondering if andrew and ann had adopted her as find the name
louisa booth b,1851 manchester.
can anyone help me i know she had children the eldest was
john andrew booth allen, b 1869 grimsby and a george s. allen, b 1890 grimsby.
george was in the 1st, lincolnshire regiment, no.202503 private, signed on 2/6/1915.
i appreciate any help with this thankyou.
my kindest regards......jean....... :)
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her parents were andrew robinson and ann stephenson, of grimsby.
You have already been given info on your previous thread about Louisa - she was a niece - not a daughter
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,445619.msg3084518.html#msg3084518
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hi carolew.
thank you for the reply, so sorry about this ,but louisa was not the niece of ann and andrew robinson.
she was there daughter? but some one as told us she may have been adopted by them, as under her name is written louisa booth.
alexander robinson was brother he was the son of ann and andrew and was born in canada, he came back to yorkshire married and went back to canada with his wife and niece louisa robinson. just like to know if ann and andrew robinson where her real parents.
will go back to the other messages as want to get all of this printed off.
i greatly appreciate the help with this one.
my kindest regards......................jean............. :)
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Have you tried searching for her birth certificate? FreeBMD has a birth entry for a Louisa Robinson in the December quarter 1846 in the Salford Registration district, Volume 20, page 866.
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hi can any one help me, i have hit a brick wall searching for this personher details are,
louisa robinson b 1847 salford manchester, married john allen b 1852 grimsby.
married 1865 st.james church great grimsby.
Known fact: FreeBMD has a marriage December quarter 1865 Caistor registration district (which at the time included Grimsby) with a John Allen and a Louisa Robinson on the same page.
Unlikely fact: that the John Allen who married in 1865 was born in 1852, as he would have been only 13 at the time of the marriage.
Facts wanted:
Presumably Gemma has the marriage certificate. From which we need to know the precise details of John's age and occupation, and his father's name and occupation.
Age of Louisa, and name and occupation of her father.
Does it say if she was a spinster or widow?
Exactly what is written in the box with her name, and how and where.
If/how Louisa signed her name.
her parents were andrew robinson and ann stephenson, of grimsby.
i am wondering if andrew and ann had adopted her as find the name
louisa booth b,1851 manchester.
Where have you found the name Louisa Booth b 1851 Manchester?
And how does that fit in with your previous statement that Louisa (Robinson) was born in 1847?
can anyone help me i know she had children the eldest was
john andrew booth allen, b 1869 grimsby and a george s. allen, b 1890 grimsby.
george was in the 1st, lincolnshire regiment, no.202503 private, signed on 2/6/1915.
i appreciate any help with this thankyou.
my kindest regards......jean....... :)
Known facts 1:
FreeBMD has a birth registration for a John Andrew B Allen, September quarter 1868 Caistor registration district.
1871 census shows a Louisa Allen, widow, 24, born Manchester with son, John A B Allen, aged 2, born Grimsby. RG10/3412 folio 97 page 13
Known facts 2:
FreeBMD has a birth registration for a George Stephenson Allen, December quarter 1889 Caistor registration district.
1891 census shows John A B Allen, aged 22 born Grimsby with wife Emily aged 22 born Scotland, and son George S Allen, aged 1 born Grimsby, living in Grimsby.
RG12/2612 folio 100 page 9
Unknown facts: details on birth certificates for John Andrew B Allen born in 1868, and George Stephenson Allen born in 1889.
Shouldn't-muddy-the-waters too much :) fact:
1881 census shows a John B Allen, son, aged 12, born Grimsby, with head of household Fred MORE, and wife Louisa MORE, (she aged 34, born Manchester) living in Grimsby. RG11/3268 folio 94 page 5.
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Meant to post this before my previous message
her parents were andrew robinson and ann stephenson, of grimsby.
You have already been given info on your previous thread about Louisa - she was a niece - not a daughter
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,445619.msg3084518.html#msg3084518
Sorry, Carole, but that refers to a different Louisa Robinson.
It's the 1881 census, and that Louisa was therefore born c 1877 and is shown as the niece of Alexander, the son of Andrew.
However Gemma's disjointed, and at times inaccurate, information does lead to confusion. See my previous message for trying to sort out some of the known, some of the incorrect, and some of the wanted, facts.
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her parents were andrew robinson and ann stephenson, of grimsby.
You have already been given info on your previous thread about Louisa - she was a niece - not a daughter
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,445619.msg3084518.html#msg3084518
Check them out in the 1891 census, living in Holy Trinity, Kingston upon Hull
RG12/3938 folio 119 page 2
Louisa Ann MOOR, niece, aged 14, born Grimsby.
But:
If her mother, also allegedly Louisa Robinson, married John Allen in December quarter 1865, why is Louisa called Robinson in the 1881 census and not Allen?
If we (I :) ) have the correct Louisa in 1871 and 1881, Louisa junior should at least be Allen, so the suspicion is that Alexander and his wife simply made a mistake when they gave her surname in the 1881 census.
FreeBMD shows the birth registration of a Louisa Ann MOORE, June quarter 1876 Caistor registration district. This would fit with Louisa senior being MORE (sic) in the 1881 census.
FreeBMD has no birth registration for a Louisa Ann Allen or Louisa Ann Robinson in Caistor district 1876-1878.
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FreeBMD shows the birth registration of a Louisa Ann MOORE, June quarter 1876 Caistor registration district. This would fit with Louisa senior being MORE (sic) in the 1881 census.
FreeBMD has no birth registration for a Louisa Ann Allen or Louisa Ann Robinson in Caistor district 1876-1878.
Perhaps this baptism is relevant http://tinyurl.com/3lyn9oh
That could link in some way with-
1881 census shows a John B Allen, son, aged 12, born Grimsby, with head of household Fred MORE, and wife Louisa MORE, (she aged 34, born Manchester) living in Grimsby. RG11/3268 folio 94 page 5.
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Morning Geoff, :)
That baptism linky doesn't work for me. :'(
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Morning Geoff, :)
That baptism linky doesn't work for me. :'(
Tough :P
Funny ... for me it leads here-
https://www.familysearch.org/search/recordDetails/show?uri=https://api.familysearch.org/records/pal:/MM9.1.r/9W9V-JVT/p1
Morning Pam :) was the 5.02am post an early morning or a late night? Perhaps you had been out clubbing and had just got home. ;D
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Even that link doesn't work, but it's either something to do with the site or something to do with my computer because although I can access the familysearch site to enter details the minute I tell it to search it has a hissy fit.
It's obviously like me - hungover from a night of clubbing. ;D (And if you believe that you will believe anything.)
5.02am post due to a late night.
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OK, it reads
29 April 1876 at Grimsby St James
Louisa MORE, daughter of Fred and Louisa.
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:-* Though I assumed it was to do with Louisa junior.
Family search site still doesn't like me. :'( It lets me put in search criteria but as soon as I press search, I get a "The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading".
However, two can play at that game, so I'm going to put it on 'ignore' till tomorrow. ;D
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hi pamthomas and geoffe.
so sorry for the mistakes just found these
.louisa robinson b 1846 salford greengate manchester, married john allen 1865 st.james church grimsby.
2,marriage was to fred moore b 1864 ringwood hamps. m, 1871, st.james church.grimsby.
louisa had a daughter with fred moor she was called,
louisa ann more b.1876 grimsby, m frederick garner 1898. leeds register office.
i cannot find this daughter.
my sister mentioned the name louisa booth to me and we wondered if she was there daughter as
we have found one other person had the family name but had the middle name of there biological
parent
we have not found any thing else as yet on her children from both these marriages, i know she married for the 3 time to a henry william howard in 1897 in grimsby, but do not know were.
i found one henry william howard b 1860 seven hills new south wales. yesterday but cannot say if this is correct i really appreciate any help with this.
my kindest regards for all your help............jean............ :)
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hi pamthomas and geoffe.
so sorry for the mistakes just found these
.louisa robinson b 1846 salford greengate manchester, married john allen 1865 st.james church grimsby.
2,marriage was to fred moore b 1864 ringwood hamps. m, 1871, st.james church.grimsby.
Please stop giving such wildly inaccurate information. I would presume you mean 1846, but if we were trying to find this person just from the year of birth you've given us we would either have no chance whatsoever, or find completely the wrong person.
louisa had a daughter with fred moor she was called,
louisa ann more b.1876 grimsby, m frederick garner 1898. leeds register office.
i cannot find this daughter.
See the 'niece' of Andrew Robinson in the other thread. Who I also mentioned in a previous post in this thread, along with where she is to be found in 1891.
my sister mentioned the name louisa booth to me and we wondered if she was there daughter as we have found one other person had the family name but had the middle name of there biological parent
From exactly where has your sister got the name Louisa Booth? A document? Thin air?
And whose daughter do you think this Louisa Booth might be? Please clarify with names for the father and mother.
we have not found any thing else as yet on her children from both these marriages, i know she married for the 3 time to a henry william howard in 1897 in grimsby, but do not know were.
i found one henry william howard b 1860 seven hills new south wales. yesterday but cannot say if this is correct i really appreciate any help with this.
my kindest regards for all your help............jean............ :)
Check out the 1881 census reference I've previously given, and then find Louisa with some of the children on the 1891 census. Though judging by the 1901 census you will have to be a little careful as to whether Fred and his first wife or Fred and Louisa are parents of some of the children. (Looking at parish registers for a baptism should be slightly cheaper than sending for a load of birth certificates.)
Henry Howard's details will have to remain 'unknown' unless you buy the marriage certificate/find it in a parish register, as he's missing in both the 1901 and 1911 census.
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Louisa's marriage
Church of the Good Shepherd and St Paul Grimsby 25/12/1897
Henry William Howard age 38 a fisherman of Grafton Street Grimsby
Father..Henry William a deceased gardener
Louisa Moor age 51 a Widow of Grafton Street
Father.. Andrew Robinson a deceased Soldier
Wits Fred Patchitt and Annie Elizabeth Patchitt
Barleymow
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hi to all,
thank you for all the help with this greatly appreciated it. also for help with the marriage of louisa and henry as this is one i could never find.
my kindest regards.........jean........ :)