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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: clwyd2 on Sunday 03 April 11 23:55 BST (UK)
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Hi still searching for correct John Parry .Born Llanidloes Mid Wales 1875
Found marriage John Parry to Eliza Johnston 1927 but can't find any further details such as birth place of JP ,tried to find details of deaths but only one comes up and that is a different one that I already know about in Hillsborough
the grave inscription is in welsh ,they may not be buried there of course .
There are so many if's and buts along the way is there a site that lets you view the original marriage certificate on line?
Regards from Chris
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Hi Chris
No you can't view a marriage record online,
Intention to Marries
http://archives.govt.nz/research/ordering-archives/our-research-and-copying-services/our-research-services/intentions-marry
are a way you can sometimes gather info about a pending marriage
or from church records
Have you identified your John Parry in any electoral rolls? Occupation?
No possible missdle names??
Otherwise with all the JOhn Parry's it may be a problem
When does he last get heard of in Wales?
BYe
Althea
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Hi Chris, have you translated the epitaph of the one you do know about it, if so does it give any hints so to rule him in or out of your research?
Del
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Previous thread relating to John PARRY. ;)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,488837.0.html
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Further threads re: search for John PARRY. ;)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,502603.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,509880.0.html
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Based on the following Elec Rolls, I think theres a good chance this is the couple at Hillsborough
1928
Manukau, Auckland
Elizabeth, 626 Manukau Road, Epsom,married
John, 626 Manukau Road, Epsom, Storekeeper
1935
John same address, same occ, no other PARRY listed at address
"No other clear record for ' this ' Elizabeth after 1928"
1911
John & Julia listed at Gardener Road, Epsom, as man and wife, Johns occ salesman
(NB: This women is buried along with child 1918 at Waikaraka Cem)
1914
John & Julia at, The drive, Epsom, Johns occ- importer
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I also have some persons in my family tree starting with John Mostyn PARRY b 1854 wales, this family was from Pukapuka and also descendents lived in Auckland, so i may be able to assist in ruling some of the "Parrys" out for you.
Del
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Hi Chris,
The probate for the Hillsborough cemetery John Parry states his entire estate was left to his wife Catherine Armstrong Parry if she predeceased him it was to go to the 2 children that Elizabeth Parry travelled to NZ with
PARRY E 1876 F 1915 London New Zealand Wellington
PARRY Gwyneth 1908 F 1915 London New Zealand Wellington
PARRY Idris 1907 M 1915 London New Zealand Wellington
so John must have remarried.
Catherine Armstrong Parry died 17 Feb 1958 and was cremated at Purewa on the 19 Feb 1958,her ashes were scattered.
Have you any definite information that John actually came to NZ
Cheers Janette
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Hi Chris,
The probate for the Hillsborough cemetery John Parry states his entire estate was left to his wife Catherine Armstrong Parry if she predeceased him it was to go to the 2 children that Elizabeth Parry travelled to NZ with
PARRY E 1876 F 1915 London New Zealand Wellington
PARRY Gwyneth 1908 F 1915 London New Zealand Wellington
PARRY Idris 1907 M 1915 London New Zealand Wellington
so John must have remarried.
Catherine Armstrong Parry died 17 Feb 1958 and was cremated at Purewa on the 19 Feb 1958,her ashes were scattered.
Have you any definite information that John actually came to NZ
Cheers Janette
Hmm so it seems like the John I found is not the John in Hillsborough, what do others think?
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I think the Manukau Rd couple are the Hillsborough cemetery couple,Elizabeth died in 1935
Cheers Janette
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Hi Chris,
I notice you now give John's DOB as 1875,in you earlier thread you gave it as 1877/1878,
FindMyPast has this entry
PARRY John 1876 M 1926 Southampton New Zealand Wellington
Cheers Janette
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So this John Parry, had three wives.
Julia McKinney-1903- died 1918
Eliza Johnston-1927- died 1935
Catherine Armstrong Agnew- 1938- died 1958
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So this John Parry, had three wives.
Julia McKinney-1903- died 1918
Eliza Johnston-1927- died 1935
Catherine Armstrong Agnew- 1938- died 1958
I don't think the first 2 belong to the man in Hillsborough Cemetery,His first wife was Elizabeth,the mother of his 2 children that came to NZ
PARRY E 1876 F 1915 London New Zealand Wellington
PARRY Gwyneth 1908 F 1915 London New Zealand Wellington
PARRY Idris 1907 M 1915 London New Zealand Wellington
Cheers Janette
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Yes that does seem more pheasible dosent it. :)
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Elec Roll-Tamaki, Auckland
1946
Katherine Armstrong Parry, 45 Ronaki Road, Married
John Parry, 45 Ronaki Road, storekeeper
1949
Katherine A & John, address the same as above, and Johns occupation the same
1954
Katherinne A Parry , 45 Ronaki Road, widow
1957
Catherine Armstrong Parry, 45 Ronaki Road, widow
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Catherine shows on the foles as a spinster until 1938, on the 1938 Roll she is living with mother 'Catherine' also at 573 Manukau Road, Roskill, Auckland.
also 1938 John appears 626 Manukau Road, Epsom, occupation storekeeper
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Hi Chris,
The probate for the Hillsborough cemetery John Parry states his entire estate was left to his wife Catherine Armstrong Parry if she predeceased him it was to go to the 2 children that Elizabeth Parry travelled to NZ with
PARRY E 1876 F 1915 London New Zealand Wellington
PARRY Gwyneth 1908 F 1915 London New Zealand Wellington
PARRY Idris 1907 M 1915 London New Zealand Wellington
so John must have remarried.
Catherine Armstrong Parry died 17 Feb 1958 and was cremated at Purewa on the 19 Feb 1958,her ashes were scattered.
Have you any definite information that John actually came to NZ
Cheers Janette
Hi jan I already know of this family as I have birth certificate for children Elizabeth was born Williams in north wales was already married to a john parry in uk so this is not correct JP.I have compared his signature on original marriage cert to his first wife with signature on his will 1952 and they do not match .I had found marriage JP to Eliza Johnston 1927 but can find no further info[place of birth].I have been told by a further family member he went to Australia but can find no records on passenger lists that match 1910---1920 only NZ
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Hi Chris, have you translated the epitaph of the one you do know about it, if so does it give any hints so to rule him in or out of your research?
Del
Hi Del it says roughly "safe in the bosom of our lord" so it is of no help
and the wife was Elizabeth Williams B4 marriage not Johnston
Chris
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Hi Chris,
I think we have exhausted all options on the 3 threads without knowing for sure where John went to.
Cheers Janette
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Hello Chris
I've been searching RootsChat recently for any further info about Idris Wynne Parry and his family, as I know they emigrated to New Zealand, and I found various messages you had written and received. Would you be kind enough to get in touch with me as I would like to find out if you have have more info re the family?
I already know quite a bit, as I have done my own (verified) independent research, but would like to add a bit more, if possible.
The parents of Idris Wynne and his sister Gwyneth Aelwen were John Parry and Elizabeth Williams.
From my notes:
Marriage: Mar 1906
PARRY John Llanrwst 11b 446
WILLIAMS Elizabeth Llanrwst 11b 446
Date: 21st February 1906 on the marriage certificate
(Elizabeth Williams was daughter of my G Grandfather's eldest sister, Elizabeth Roberts - technically my first cousin, twice removed.)
Births Mar 1908
Parry Gwyneth Aelwen Birkenhead 8a 465
Births Mar 1907
Parry Idris Wynne Birkenhead 8a 440 (I have copies of both these birth certificates.)
In 1911, Idris Wynne is staying with his Auntie Jane in Llanrwst, while his parents and sister are at home in Birkenhead, Cheshire at 19 Woodchurch Road, Oxton, and John is a shopkeeper.
I W, his mother and sister emigrated to New Zealand in 1915, following his father, John, who had already gone out to NZ in 1913, escorting his brother's future wife. (John's youngest brother, Hugh Griffith Parry (b 1883) had also emigrated to New Zealand, some time between 1911 and 1914, and later returned to the UK in 1944 with his wife Hannah Davies Parry after retirement, to settle in North Wales.)
I'd really like to find out if anyone knows for sure what Idris Wynne did after going to New Zealand, as I can't find him on the Electoral Registers there. Did he get married and have children, or not? If you can help, I'd be most grateful....
Jan
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Hi Jan,
There is a marriage for Idris in NZ
1933/6470 Olive Veronica Saies to Idris Wynne Parry
I don't see a death for him
Cheers Janette
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There are 2 entries for his wife in the ER's
Olive Veronica Parry 1935 Auckland West Auckland
Olive Veronica Parry 1938 Auckland West Auckland
Cheers Janette