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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Sani on Sunday 03 April 11 02:09 BST (UK)
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Hi You have been able to help in the past and I'm hoping you can again. I am looking for Henry Prowse who marr Eva Bailey possibly in Talbot Victoria. Eva's family were in Adelaide so Henry may have been from there too.
My grand-parents, Henry Richard Prowse married Gladys Ross in 1905 at Talbot and they are the only ones recorded in the files. Eva's sister ( Lydia ) went on to marry my grandfather's brother ( John )
Hoping you can help
Thank You Val
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Hi Val,
Henry Prowse was born in 1908 at Talbot Reg#7257.
The Victorian marriage index goes up to 1942 and the marriage between Henry and Eva is not listed on it.
Cheers,
Janet.
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Henry Richard Prowse and Gladys Margaret Ross had other children:
William Prowse born 1906, Talbot, Reg#30269.
Morris Prowse born 1910, Ararat, Reg#16021.
Sarah Victoria Prowse born 1912, Ararat, Reg#8326.
Isabel Carol Prowse born 1913, Ararat, Reg#18067.
Gladys Martha born 1916, Geelong, Reg#29921.
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Gladys Margaret Prowse died 1938, Geelong, age 57, Reg#12666.
Her parents were listed as Thomas Ross and Sarah Richards.
Henry Richard Prowse died 1959, Healsville, age 83, Reg#27845.
His parents were listed as William John Prowse and Sarah Jane Harrison.
Gladys and Henry are buried together at Geelong Eastern Cemetery.
Link: http://www.gct.net.au/search.html#
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Here is Lydia's death .
She is buried at Amherst/Talbot Cemetery. Aged 53 Buried 569/10/1941
PROWSE Lydia Ellen
Father Bailey John Black
Mother Lydia Cath HOUSE
Place TALBOT
Age 53
Year 1941
Reg 22197
Sue
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Here, I think is JOHN 's death
PROWSE John Charles
Father William
Mother Marcon Sara HARRISON
Death GEEL
Age 86
Year 1967
Reg 17703
Although the death is registered at Geelong , he too is at Amherst Talbot Cemetery and was buried 12/8/1967.
Sue
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William John Prowse (born London) married 1872, Reg#2118, Sarah Jane Harrison (born Williamstown).
William John Prowse and Sarah Jane Harrison had the following children:
Louisa Ann Prowse born 1872, Talbot, Reg#13290.
Elizabeth Jane Prowse born 1874, Amherst, Reg#6459.
Henry Richard Prowse born 1876, Amherst, Reg#6378.
Harriet Mary Prowse born 1878, Amherst, Reg#12886.
John Charles Prowse born 1881, Talbot, Reg12848.
James Robert Prowse born 1883, Talbot, Reg#20170.
Frederick William Prowse born 1885, Talbot, Reg#14028.
Marion Sarah Prowse born 1887, Talbot, Reg#24317.
Albert Talbot Prowse born 1889, Talbot-Amherst, Reg#26759.
Unnamed female Prowse born 1892, Talbot-Amherst, Reg#36900.
Leslie George Prowse born 1897, Talbot-Amherst, Reg#6907.
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William John Prowse died in 1902, Talbot age 62, Reg#11810.
His parents were listed as William Henry Prowse and Mary Ann Fairhead.
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Sarah Jane Prowse died 1930, Geelong, age 79, Reg#13721.
Her parents were listed as John Harrison and Mary White.
Sarah Jane is buried alone at Geelong Eastern Cemetery.
Link: http://www.gct.net.au/search.html#
Hope this helps Val.
Cheers,
Janet.
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Thank you Janet 666 for your info. I may have misslead you a bit, this is my family but I'm after Lydia's sister Eva Bailey who married Henry Prowse. I can't connect him to my family as he doesn't seem to exist in the records.
Henry Prowse and Gladys Ross are my grandparents and Henry prowse b 1908 is their son and brother of my mother.
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So, you are saying HENRY PROWSE, born 1908 in TALBOT did not marry EVA BAILEY ? He is your uncle.
Is that correct?
Who did your uncle HENRY PROWSE marry?
Sue
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I am looking for Henry Prowse who marr Eva Bailey possibly in Talbot Victoria. Eva's family were in Adelaide so Henry may have been from there too.
Eva's sister ( Lydia ) went on to marry my grandfather's brother ( John )
Sani
PROWSE Lydia Ellen
Father Bailey John Black
Mother Lydia Cath HOUSE
Place TALBOT
Age 53
Year 1941
Reg 22197
Sue
I'm after Lydia's sister Eva Bailey who married Henry Prowse. I can't connect him to my family as he doesn't seem to exist in the records.
There are no records for a John Black BAILEY born Talbot and Lydia Catherine HOUSE born Talbot, in the marriage or birth indexes in South Australia.
They married in 1885 in Victoria and had three daughters of which the eldest Agnes Rosina died at 9 weeks of age. The youngest daughter, Charlotte died in 1892 aged 10 months. Lydia Ellen PROWSE nee BAILEY was born at Brunswick in 1888 Reg#930. There are no other births to this couple of the Victorian indexes.
This birth probably only confuses the issue but Charlotte HOUSE and Lydia Catherine HOUSE were sisters with parents William HOUSE and Charlotee ALBION.
Birth
BAILEY Eva May
Father Henry Mother Charlotte M HOUSE
At Talbot 1893 Reg#17357
and the parents' marriage
BAILEY Henry born Talbot
HOUSE Charlotte Anne Maria born Talbot
1887 Reg#3430
Lydia Ellen BAILEY was the daughter of John Black BAILEY and Lydia Catherine HOUSE
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Eva May BAILEY was the daughter of Henry BAILEY and Charlote Anne Maria HOUSE
There were not sisters but cousins.
I'm now confusing myself ::) ::)
Cheers
Cando
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Hi Sani,
I think Cando has hit the nail on the head.
I can see Lydia BAILEY's parents' marriage in 1885 in Victoria, and the births of three children, Agnes, Lydia, and Charl...?. Their mother Lydia (formerley HOUSE) died in 1892 and John remarried in 1895 to Esther Ann McLAUGHLIN. A daughter Veronica Evelyn was born in Victoria in 1895.
John Black BAILEY and Esther then moved to Western Australia where they had another three children between 1897 and 1905. None of the children that I can see are named Eva. John and Esther both died in WA.
John's death notice does not mention the names Eva or PROWSE.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0clg/
Lydia PROWSE's 1941 death notice says "loved cousin of Eva and Henry BAILEY of Talbot".
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0clh/
http://www.bdm.dotag.wa.gov.au/_apps/pioneersindex/default.aspx
http://www.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/search.php
Debra :)
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I think Cando has hit the nail on the head.
Debra
...and lots of bruised fingers from the times I have missed :P
Death
BAILEY Eva May
Father Henry Mother Charlotte HOUSE
At Maryborough 77 years 1970 Reg#17630
She is buried at Amherst Cemetery.
Cheers
Cando
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We have always been told that Eva marr a Henry Prowse but could never fit him into our family . They were living in Talbot around 1900 - 1910 and that Eva was a sister to Lydia and Agnes who lived in Adelaide until her death. Some of Lydia and John Prowse's family would go over to her for holidays.
Henry Prowse b 1908 was my mothers brother and he marr Ruby Alice Vale from Diamond Creek , Victoria. They Lived in Portland , Camperdown and again in Portland where they died 6 weeks apart in the 1980's. Thank you all for your trouble although it has made more confusion than answers. I think I'll ask around the family again and see if anyone can tell me more or offer more sugestions
Val
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Hi Sani,
I hope you will not mind me pointing out that there is really no confusion!
The records which have been made available to you in this forum make the situation and relationships clear.
May I venture to say, perhaps the family stories have got tangled over the years in regard to surnames ;D
Sue
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I agree with Sue but I have spent quite a lot of time trying to sort out the families to you may as well have what I had typed up. A bit more info for your records - if you want more electoral roll listings, just ask :)
I wonder if there is some confusion in your mind as to whom are sisters? Lydia and Charlotte's mother Lydia Catherine, died in 1892 and Eva May's mother Charlotte, died in 1895. Who cared for the children? Perhaps it was Agnes BAILEY nee McLAUGHLIN, John Black and Henrys mother? I find it strange that Lydia wasn't mentioned in her father's death notice.
Births to John Black BAILEY and Lydia CatherineHOUSE
BAILEY Agnes Rosina at Brunswick 1886 Reg#24198 Died aged 9 weeks Brunswick Reg#11880
BAILEY Lydia Ellen 1888 at Brunswick Reg#930
BAILEY Charlotte 1891 at Talbot-Amherst Reg#28089 Died 1892 10 months at Talbot Reg#8405
Births to Henry BAILEY and Charlotte Ann Maria HOUSE
BAILEY Henry 1887 at Amherst Reg#24319
BAILEY William Albion at Talbot Reg#25159 Died 1899 10 years at Talbot Reg#16269
BAILEY Eva May 1893 at Talbot Reg#17357
BAILEY Robert 1890 at Talbot-Amherst Reg#17929 Died 2 months 1890 at Talbot N Reg#14063
I have checked the SA Electoral Roll for 1909 and only one PROWSE enrolment and not your Eva or Henry and neither is there a death for an Eva or Henry PROWSE in South Australia.
Australian Electoral Roll
1903
PROWSE Henry Richard Nuggety Gully Miner
PROWSE John Charles Nuggety Gully Miner
PROWSE Sarah Jane Nuggety Gully HD
1909
PROWSE Frederick William Nuggety Gully Talbot Miner
PROWSE Henry Richard Nuggety Gully Talbot Miner
PROWSE James Robert Nuggety Gully Talbot No occupation
PROWSE John Charles Nuggety Gully Talbot Miner
PROWSE Sarah Jane Nuggety Gully Talbot HD
1914
BAILEY Eva May Nuggetty Gully Talbot Home duties
BAILEY Henry Nuggetty Gully Talbot Woodcutter
BAILEY Henry Jnr Nuggetty Gully Talbot
BAILEY Lydia Ellen Nuggetty Gully Talbot Home duties
1936 and 1943 minus Henry Snr.
BAILEY Eva May Nuggetty Gully Talbot Home duties
BAILEY Henry Nuggetty Gully Talbot Woodcutter
BAILEY Henry Jnr Nuggetty Gully Talbot
They were living in Talbot around 1900 - 1910 and that Eva was a sister to Lydia and Agnes
The death notice for Lydia Ellen PROWSE which mentions "loved cousin of Eva and Henry BAILEY of Talbot" indicates that Eva and her brother Henry were living at Talbot as shown in the electoral roll listings above.
PROWSE Lydia E
1941 Ref#1360
Cause Suicide
Inq Date 22 Oct 1941
Val do you think it is simply that the people have been connected to the wrong family?
It appears that Lydia Ellen PROWSE nee BAILEY did not have a sister Eva, however her cousin Eva lived and died in Victoria.
Do you have your family history entered on a software program? Printing a chart may help you understand the relationships.
The birth registration for Henry which was omitted from the births listed in an earlier post
PROWSE Henry
Father Henry Richardd Mother Gladys Margt ROSS
At Talbot 1908 Reg#7257
Cheers :)
Cando