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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Berwickshire => Topic started by: robertjarvis99 on Friday 22 April 05 18:47 BST (UK)
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Marriage look up please for John Wilson and Jane Walker in Coldstream on the 15th June 1853.
Full details please of parents and witnesses.
Thank you
Robert
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John, An 1853 marriage cert won't give you parents names, most you can expect from pre 1855 record, date of marriage, or date it was contracted; names of parties; place or parishes of residence. very rarely will you get name of witnesses
Liz
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Hi Liz
Thank you for your reply. If nothing else the addresses would help as perhaps the families could be raised on the census.
Do you have this?
Regards
Robert
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John, Were the family in Scotland in 1881? as I have'nt been able to locate them yet.
I found these on familysearch, some children of John and Jane.
1. CHRISTINA WILSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 25 DEC 1855 Coldstream, Berwick, Scotland
2. ELISABETH WILSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 16 AUG 1857 Coldstream, Berwick, Scotland
3. JOHN WILSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 03 MAY 1862 Coldstream, Berwick, Scotland
4. FANNY WILSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 29 OCT 1860 Coldstream, Berwick, Scotland
Chrstina's birth cert. of 1855 will give you her parents age and where they were born, but may be registered under the year 1856 as she was born on Christmas day. This would narrow it down on where to look for their births.
Liz
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Hi Liz
First of all my name is Robert not John!!
The family moved to London in the mid 1860's and thence to Liverpool in the early 1870's. If there were addresses othe marriage entry I might then be able to identify the parents of John and Jane.
Regards
Robert
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Sorry about that. I must have been thinking about your ancestor John Wilson
Liz
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Liz
We all have these moments now and again.
Robert
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Robert, I guess you've seen both the 1871 and 1881 census for this family. 1881 census shows Jane Wilson as being born Morpeth, Northumberland about 1832.
This could be worth checking out. (found in familysearch)
Jane Walker born 24th mar 1832
Ch. King St. Independent, Morpeth, Northumberland
Parents George Walker and Mary Brodrick
You could try 'scotlandspeople' for the birth of John, born about 1832 according to 1881 census, in Coldstream.
Liz
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On Scotlandspeople this was the only birth of a John Wilson in the 1830's
14 Feb 1830 WILSON JOHN
Father - SIMON WILSON
Mother - ISABELLA VERTUE
Frame Number - FR898)
Parish - COLDSTREAM
GRO Data number - 733/00 0004
Best wishes
Mo
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This is the record of the first child of John and Jane:-
20 Jul 1854 WILSON MARY JANE
Father - JOHN WILSON
Mother - JANE WALKER
Frame Number - FR964
Parish - COLDSTREAM
GRO data Number - 733/00 0004
Christinas Birth is on Scotlandspeople as follows:-
Christina Wilson born December 25th 1855 at 3 am to John Wilson aged 23 years (a master baker) and Jane Wilson nee Walker aged 23 years and she was born in Morpeth. and this was their second child.
since the Morpeth connection that Liz found it looks good to try and get a something from the Parish records..
and here is the record number for the marriage of John and Jane
15 Jun 1853
WILSON JOHN
JANE WALKER
Frame Number - FR1012
COLDSTREAM
733/00 0004
I have found the images from the parish records to be wonderful to look at if at times a little hard to read... but worthwhile getting
Sorry could not help more
Best wishes
Mo
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Hi Mo
Thank you for that further information. As you can see it is stated at the time of the birth in 1855 John Wilson was aged 23. This would make his dob 1832, which is what has been giving me doubts of the birth in 1830. Hence I thought apparently mistakenly there may be parents recorded on the marriage certificate in 1853 to see if I had the correct John Wilson. I do not want to pay £6 to see one certificate when it may be of little value.
As for Jane Walker, I have picked her at Morpeth, but unfortunately no record of a marriage between George Walker and Mary Brodrick at this location or any other nearby on IGI. So all at a bit of a brick wall at present.
However thank you once again for the information which gave some detail I was not aware of.
Cheers
Robert
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Hi Robert,
Walter Wilson (of London & Liverpool) son of John Wilson born Coldstream and Jane born Morpeth is my great grandfather.
I wonder if you have progressed this line of research any further?
I wonder if you have come across the surname Smail which was Walter's middle name and I can only assume to be an ancestor's surname.
regards,
Ian
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Hi Ian
I have had no joy at all in tracing a birth and christening for John Wilson! I was biding my time waiting for Coldstrem parish records to come online. Have you tried the parish records for Coldstream?
As for his wife Jane, I traced her details to 1832 Morpeth and got her parents but no further, again waiting in hope fpr records to come online.
Where do you hail from and live now?
regards Robert